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  •  Uprated to counter nonsense HR. (1+ / 0-)
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    I completely disagree with you, and place the blame for all instability on Assad's murderous ways and his unwillingness to allow independent Press into Syria. If he hadn't spent the first months of the peaceful uprising murdering demonstrators and destroying 'problematic' villages, there'd be no opportunity for the Saudis, Russia and the rest to get their dirty hands on the Syrian people.

    That said, you have every right to your own understanding of the events in Syria. We have no reliable information from Syria (because Mr Assad tortures and kills citizen journalists, and bars foreign journalists), so there's really no refuting any assumptions about what's happening there.

    •  Obviously, it's time for me to leave. The (3+ / 0-)

      lack of understanding of U.S. history, recent and not recent, when it comes to regime changes and country destabilizations, and the continued reliance and believing of MSM reporting regarding what's happening in Syria, is too much.  If you disagree, I just ask that you are sure you have all the information needed.  There is alot out there.  I'll have to force myself here.  
      But appreciate the gesture.

      "The Global War on Terror is a justification for U.S. Imperialism. It must be stopped."

      by BigAlinWashSt on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 10:28:11 PM PDT

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      •  I feel like I have yet to get a solid... (2+ / 0-)
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        explanation from you about why I shouldn't think of this as a massacre turned civil war.

        Of course hegemonic powers have their designs on Syria. And of course our hypocrisy on the issue knows no bounds, as we ship arms to Bahrain, which just completed its conviction of 9 doctors for the crime of treating civilians.

        But how does that negate the violence Assad unleashed on protests? Is your contention that there was never peaceful protesting in the streets of Syria? That the regime was firing on rebels, not protestors?

        I'm not interested in cheer leading anyone's designs on intervention - or supporting any current covert intervention. But I'd really like to get at least a basic understanding of what you think unfolded in the early days of this - whatever you want to call it.

        •  Have you heard of the Frankfurter Allegemine (2+ / 0-)
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          Zeitung article regarding the Houle Massacre?  Do you now that Clinton admitted Al Qaeda was in Syria fighting with the opposition?  Do you know the FSA set up reporters to be killed for their PR campaign?  
          The pushback is immendous on this, everything that is said contrary to the MSM/Pentagon/NATO line is now labeled as CT and/or evil dictator lover BS.  

          I'm tired man, sorry.  I've tried to warn people about this but it's useless.

          "The Global War on Terror is a justification for U.S. Imperialism. It must be stopped."

          by BigAlinWashSt on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 11:12:17 PM PDT

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          •  Either stick around or don't, Al. (0+ / 0-)

            I maintain that your voice is badly needed, but you're more than welcome to leave in frustration. I've contemplated TTFNing til November more than once. It's not a crazy thought.

            I didn't know anything about any of those things. I'll be spending tomorrow's lunch break reading up on your comment. Thank you.

          •  I replied to this in an email (0+ / 0-)

            He sent me an article that said:

            And while we're being fed a steady stream of stories by the mainstream American media about massacres supposedly directed by the Assad government (not that I have any illusions about Assad), other sources, including a reporter from the Guardian, are giving us opposite information. Alex Thomson says that Syrian rebels, not government forces, tried to get him killed, because, as the rebels put it, "Dead journos are bad for Damascus."
            This is what I said:
            I found it hard to believe the rebels actually said that,which is why I wasted the time to actually read the Guardian article. They didn't.

            The quote from the article you cite is "I'm quite clear the rebels deliberately set us up to be shot by the Syrian army. Dead journos are bad for Damascus."

            So he said that not the rebels, as you claim. Furthermore we have only his word that the people in the black car really were FSA, but what you have done here is fundamentally dishonest. You provide the "proof" that the FSA is bad with a false quote.

            174 people have been killed by Assad in just the past two days. Russian is sending him more attack helicopters, and you are peddling crap like this.

            I've also heard Russia Today mangle the quote the same way and attribute to the rebels rather than journalist.

            BigAlinWashSt, the reason I accuse you of being pro-Assad is because you are apparently a willing promoter of the shit Assad is shoveling, i.e. you are repeating lies. Maybe you just believe and repeat anything on RT, still that makes you objectively pro-Assad because they certainly are.

            Remember history, Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust - narrated by Martin Sheen

            by Clay Claiborne on Tue Jun 19, 2012 at 07:02:56 AM PDT

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    •  What independent press are you speaking of? (2+ / 0-)

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