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  •  Every President should have the right to send... (0+ / 0-)

    ..troops wherever he desires.  War is an extension of foreign policy, which is under the purview of the Executive Branch.

    And if I were President, I would challenge Congress to stop me.

    Libya?  I was against it, as no vital US interests were at stake.

    But Iran, that's altogether different.  And I would support President Obama if he initiated hostile actions against it.  Regardless of what Congress said.

    Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project. www.hamiltonproject.org

    by PatriciaVa on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 09:03:43 PM PDT

    •  You're got to be joking. (16+ / 0-)

      What are you talking about?

      I would support President Obama if he initiated hostile actions against it.
      We are going to reelect President Obama precisely because Romney's foreign policy advisers are George Bush's policy advisers. Preemptive war with Iran is insane, and Mr. Obama knows it.
      Preemptive war by the United States against Iran would unite generations of Islamic radicals worldwide, proving that their diatribe against the bloodthirsty West was true all along.
      Iran is the size of Arizona, California, Oregon, Washington, Nevada, and Idaho...combined. Iran has 74 million people. Thousands of cities. Iraq is smaller than Texas, with about 22 million people. How long was the war in Iraq? How many troop rotations?
       (1)  According to the US intelligence community Iran hasn’t got an active nuclear weapons program. Israeli intelligence agrees with this view.
      (2)  The US intelligence community set out this view in a National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) in November 2007. It remains the view of the US intelligence community today.
      (3)  The November 2011 IAEA report on Iran’s nuclear activities did not state that Iran has an active nuclear weapons program, contrary to the impression given in much of the media commentary on it.
      (4)  In its February 2012 report, the IAEA confirmed for the umpteenth time that there was no diversion of nuclear material from these facilities.
       
      •  Furthermore, from Wikipedia (0+ / 0-)
        The Islamic Republic of Iran has two types of armed forces: the regular forces Islamic Republic of Iran Army, Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force, Islamic Republic of Iran Navy and the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC), totaling about 545,000 active troops. Iran also has around 350,000 Reserve Force totaling around 900,000 trained troops.[180] Iran has a paramilitary, volunteer militia force within the IRGC, called the Basij, which includes about 90,000 full-time, active-duty uniformed members. Up to 11 million men and women are members of the Basij who could potentially be called up for service; GlobalSecurity.org estimates Iran could mobilize "up to one million men". This would be among the largest troop mobilizations in the world.[181] In 2007, Iran's military spending represented 2.6% of the GDP or $102 per capita, the lowest figure of the Persian Gulf nations.[182] Iran's military doctrine is based on deterrence.[183]

        Since the Iranian Revolution, to overcome foreign embargo, Iran has developed its own military industry, produced its own tanks, armored personnel carriers, guided missiles, submarines, military vessels, guided missile destroyer, radar systems, helicopters and fighter planes.[184][185][186] In recent years, official announcements have highlighted the development of weapons such as the Hoot, Kowsar, Zelzal, Fateh-110, Shahab-3 and Sajjil missiles, and a variety of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs).[187] The Fajr-3 (MIRV) is currently Iran's most advanced ballistic missile, it is a liquid fuel missile with an undisclosed range which was developed and produced domestically.
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        Eliminate tax breaks that stimulate the offshoring of jobs.

        by RJDixon74135 on Tue Jun 19, 2012 at 07:03:55 PM PDT

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    •  If President Obama initiated hostile (4+ / 0-)
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      actions against Iran it would be because there was no other option, and he would explain his reasons, and those reasons would make sense.

      If President Romney initiated hostile actions against Iran, it would be for political reasons, or he got gulled into it by recycled neocons like W. did.

      Big difference.

    •  Huh? n/t necessary... (0+ / 0-)

      "Daddy, every time a bell rings, a Libertaria­n picks up his Pan Am tickets for the Libertaria­n Paradise of East Somalia!"

      by unclebucky on Tue Jun 19, 2012 at 09:16:42 AM PDT

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    •  "initiated hostile actions against it" (1+ / 0-)
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      "It?"

      "It" is a nation. Full of people. Living their lives. Living under an oppressive regime full of nutcases. Some of them are delusional religious fanatics.

      We might as well bomb ourselves and skip the trip overseas. Think of all the money we'd save in transportation costs.

      I want a living planet, not just a living room.

      by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Tue Jun 19, 2012 at 09:19:45 AM PDT

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    •  Um, isn't there something in the US Constitution (2+ / 0-)
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      about Congress being the only ones who can declare war?  Have you forgotten about that?

      There are lots of grey areas, and I don't know that Congress would stop President Obama, but he really does have to ask them if he's going to take pre-emptive action.  Even Bush II did it, though he weaseled the approval from one approved action to all-out war.  

      •  Let SCOTUS decide if Congress permission.... (0+ / 0-)

        ....is necessary.

        The Constitution provides the Executive Branch with implementing foreign policy.  I believe that war is an extension of foreign policy.

        If Congress disagrees, it can challenge me via the Supreme Court.

        My take?  I believe that Congress realizes that it would lose, so it has always punted on challenging the President's authority to deploy armed forces.

        Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project. www.hamiltonproject.org

        by PatriciaVa on Tue Jun 19, 2012 at 03:14:05 PM PDT

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    •  How exactly does Iran threaten us? (1+ / 0-)
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      Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

      by Flyswatterbanjo on Tue Jun 19, 2012 at 01:40:39 PM PDT

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      •  Iran FAR larger threat than Libya ever was... (0+ / 0-)

        ..and the US engaged in hostile action against that country.

        Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project. www.hamiltonproject.org

        by PatriciaVa on Tue Jun 19, 2012 at 03:11:44 PM PDT

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        •  You haven't really answered the question yet, (0+ / 0-)

          just reasserted your claim.

          Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

          by Flyswatterbanjo on Tue Jun 19, 2012 at 03:23:07 PM PDT

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