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  •  The SCOTUS Will Say The Madate Is (5+ / 0-)

    consitutional.  There is too much historical precedent not to.  The weird thing is if the SCOTUS knocks down ACA, it will lead to one of the biggest catastrophes in healtcare this country will ever see and lead to a government healtcare plan.  The SCOTUS thinks they will be stopping government from getting more involved in healthcare but will do the opposite.  They will be ending private health insurance as we know it now.

    "Don't Let Them Catch You With Your Eyes Closed"

    by rssrai on Tue Jun 19, 2012 at 08:03:14 AM PDT

    •  But This is a Movement That Insists Government (6+ / 0-)

      may not promote the general welfare. Why wouldn't private insurance without a mandate merely "go New Orleans" and become catastrophic-only insurance for almost everyone, or like dental "insurance" that covers preventative care but only half of serious procedures with an impossibly small annual limit?

      Where could the people turn politically if government can't mandate private insurance nor amass the votes to implement single-payer?

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Tue Jun 19, 2012 at 08:10:15 AM PDT

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      •  Mmmmmmmm (0+ / 0-)

        How about where they turned originally?  Insurance evolved from mutual benefit societies, voluntary cost-sharing organizations that arose from people joining together with other people.  As far as I know, that isn't ILLEGAL in this country.  I've actually read an ad from a Christian group that does something similar to this, providing "not-insurance" but "assistance" for "members" of a community.  They insist that members be living a lifestyle congruent with their moral principles, of course, which cuts out a lot of risks . . . but not a lot of others, most particularly farming as a profession which is one of the biggest lifestyle risks you can indulge.

        Cutting the profiteers off at the knees might give some other options room to grow.  But there would be tradeoffs, and one of them will indubitably be the sense of entitlement that an adversarial relationship has spawned, where people feel it their RIGHT to DEMAND every possible treatment for every illness, no matter how expensive or how futile (because after all, they already paid through the nose for their coverage from a company they know is an Enemy).

    •  "Ending private health insurance as we know it" (2+ / 0-)
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      qofdisks, ColoTim

      ... some time in the far future after they are dead.

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