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  •  rumor has it prosecution released more discovery (2+ / 0-)
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    amsterdam, Tonedevil

    today tue 26 JUN at 1:00 but I've not seen it on the 'net yet.  Wondering if anyone has a link.  Might be a false rumor.  

    •  link below to Sanford police summaries (2+ / 0-)
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      amsterdam, Tonedevil

      http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/...

      Looks like about 29 pages from the initial investigation, and the conclusion speaks about GZ's multiple chances to diffuse the situation that he missed.  

      It's a weak case for manslaughter the way they are summing it up here, but the current investigation has more witnesses and a longer time to parse the inconsistencies and examine additional evidence - the clubhouse video included - and they've come to the conclusion that it was murder in the second degree.  

      I've not read it all, however.  Just wanted to pass on the link.

      the msnbc story that contains the link to the pdf is here
      http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/...

      •  There is a hand drawn path on a map (2+ / 0-)
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        amsterdam, Tonedevil

        Which I think may be drawn by GZ while he was being questioned by SIngleton, the female investigator.  

        Looks like there is a path from the 1400 block of RVC leading past the clubhouse and to a FIRST circle at the first bend in TTL.  Then there is a second circle at the Frank Taaffe position of parking "by the cut thru."  

        If this is GZ's idea of where he was, it's not in agreement with his later video taped walk thru "re-enactment."  

        And it validates about two months worth of speculation on a lot of people's part - GZ watched TM from TTL, not the north of the clubhouse.  That's the false narrative.  

        Unfortunatey there is not an inventory with this document dump...  nor is there seemingly a signature on the hand drawn lines on this zeroxed map.  

        But what's here is VERY VERY interesting in the light of what's strongly suggested as a position for what's described in the recorded call - this hand drawn map makes sense and GZ's story at the walk thru doesn't.  

        I'm on the verge of feeling quite validated in saying that GZ did a slow motion chase of TM in his car down TTL and that's why TM ran.  And GZ lies about it later.  

        •  I have no doubt that (2+ / 0-)
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          Tonedevil, willisnewton

          He followed him in his car down ttl. You can hear the gear at 1:43 in the call.

          •  AND HERE IT IS (1+ / 0-)
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            Tonedevil

            The female detective states GZ moved from the clubhouse - the dark area on the map are highlighter pen, I think - and then STOPPED AT THE FIRST CURVE where TM circles the car - and then there is another circle at the FT position by the cut thru.

            GZ is contradicting himself at the video walk thru, moving the circling action to a "doubling back" by TM so as to obscure the slow motion car to pedestrian chase.  
            The paperwork to go with the hand drawn lines on the map is here..... just after the map.  

            I KNEW IT.  100% validation for what I've been arguing for months now, and what may be visible in these clubhouse videos.  

            GZ pushed a false narrative about how he traveled from the clubhouse to the T.   But he told one version early on that seems consistent with his stalking TM in his car, and later contradicts himself.

            He's not mistaken.  He didn't "forget."  He's lying to investigators in the video walk thru, to create the impression he didn't stalk the kid when it's clear he did.  TM ran away and GZ got out of his car and chased after him with a loaded weapon, and he's lying about that.

            •  this is the key exchange: (0+ / 0-)

              Dispatcher: OK—you said it's 1111 Retreat View? Or 111?
              Zimmerman: That's the clubhouse…
              Dispatcher: That's the clubhouse, do you know what the—he's near the clubhouse right now?
              Zimmerman: Yeah, now he's coming towards me.
              1:03  (7:10:37 EST)
              Dispatcher: OK.
              Zimmerman: He's got his hand in his waistband.

              In the video "reenactment" (re-imagining, more like) GZ claims this action takes place as his car is parked at the final position by the cut thru, and he's describing TM doubling back to circle his car.  

              Yet a short time later, back at the station, he's played the actual recorded call tape and as this passage comes up, he claims repeatedly that this action took place as he was parked by the clubhouse parking lot.  

              He can't have it both ways, and what he's trying to hide is how the two traveled from the clubhouse to the T - in a slow motion car-to-pedestrian chase.  

              here is a link to a lot of pictures and maps, GZ's own included, with notes illustrating this to the point of redundancy.  Sorry for the length.

              http://www.flickr.com/...

              If you view as a "slideshow" be sure to check the button top right to see the accompanying notes.  

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