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  •  If it were me (8+ / 0-)
    Try to simply answer if Obama stance on marriage and family is in line with God.
    Personally, I would answer "Yes, it is." But then, my conception of God is almost certainly 180 degrees different from that of your friend. Here's what I would say to your friend:

    Obama leaves the decision on the theological morality of abortion to the individual, as is right and proper in America. The government has absolutely no business dictating theology to its citizens; that is why we have a First Amendment. The government's proper realm is that of Law, not theology. Abortion is legal in the United States of America. Period. It is not murder; murder is the taking of life unlawfully. Abortion is not unlawful. If your friend feels abortion ought to be unlawful, then that is something your friend can work towards with other like-minded citizens. Until they succeed, however, abortion is still lawful in this country. As Obama said once said, decisions about the morality of abortion are above his pay grade.

    If this person is a conservative evangelical (as I suspect, judging by the phrasing she/he uses), then no straight-forward answer you might give will satisfy her/him. Too many of these people believe that the government really-o, truly-o ought to legislate their particular church's theology into the law of the land.  Too many people have already made up their minds, based on what they've been told at church because too, too many conservative evangelical churches no longer support the idea of the priesthood of the believer. They've become more like the Catholic Church, in that since the 1980s they've embraced a hierarchical, authoritarian model, where the leadership dictates what the proper beliefs are to the laity.

    And don't get me started on that.  

    The whole point of society is to be less unforgiving than nature. - Arthur D. Hlavaty

    by Alice Venturi on Thu Jun 21, 2012 at 04:41:15 PM PDT

    •  On that "equal priesthood of all believers" thing (2+ / 0-)
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      at the church I attended (at home, not college) in my late teens and early 20s, the pastor would regularly do a sermon about it.

      His whole thesis was that Christians had the wrong attitude if their take away was "Don't you dictate to me what to believe". He actually said that if we were serving someone else then by definition that person was at the time in a position of authority over us, which seemed sensible but sounded to me like he was teaching servility.

      Looking back it amazes me how I drank so much Kool-Aid. I actually internalized this idea that if someone asserted authority over me, then by definition God placed them in authority over me and I was to obey them without question as long as they didn't try to make me renounce my Christianity or kill another human being. People in my circle from time to time actually said that if you're a believer, since you were "bought at a price" (as was quoted in one of Paul's epistles) you have no rights. Thus it was out of line for any Christian to assert any rights.

      liberal bias = failure to validate or sufficiently flatter the conservative narrative on any given subject

      by RockyMtnLib on Thu Jun 21, 2012 at 07:38:39 PM PDT

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      •  People believe all kinds of things (1+ / 0-)
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        And that applies to me, too, I might add. The whole "priesthood of the believer" thing is very much a Baptist feature, along with the idea of "soul competency." That's why there are so many different Baptist churches; if three Baptists get into a disagreement, you end up with five new churches, as the joke goes.

        While it is absolutely true that not every conservative evangelical is narrow-minded and judgmental, many of them are. The emphasis on accepting the Bible's every word as literally true constrains human logic and squishes reason and rationality into some very strange shapes. I hope you've found a happier place to be on Sundays, whether that's in a church or at home or out enjoying the company of friends.

        The whole point of society is to be less unforgiving than nature. - Arthur D. Hlavaty

        by Alice Venturi on Thu Jun 21, 2012 at 09:48:16 PM PDT

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