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  •  Those are the verses I've heard too. (2+ / 0-)
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    RockyMtnLib, Lujane

    With one addition which threw me when I first heard it.  In one of the Psalms, David says something along the lines of "In sin did my mother concieve me."

    I don't find any of these verses convincing.  The Jeremiah passage ("Before I formed you in the womb") is talking about God's foreknowledge, not whether or not the pre-born prophet had a soul.  Inferring pre-natal personhood from that verse, I think, is stretching it.

    The Luke Chapter 1 verse about Elizabeth's child leaping in her womb could maybe imply that the pre-born John the Baptist already posessed a soul, except that it could be used to equally support the old Medieval belief that ensoulment occured at the time of the "quickening", the stage in a pregnancy when the mother first feels the child moving.

    Then theres the David passage from Psalms.  Nope.  I don't buy that one either.  It's talking about David's parents, not his unborn state.  I'll maybe buy it as a proof text for the doctrine of Original Sin, the idea that sinful human nature is something we inherit from our sinful parents; but other than having the word "conceive" in it, the verse doesn't really say anything about when David got his soul.

    "All the World's a Stage and Everyone's a Critic." -- Mervyn Alquist

    by quarkstomper on Thu Jun 21, 2012 at 06:51:59 PM PDT

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    •  Even if it is true that the correct interpretation (2+ / 0-)
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      Lujane, blueoasis

      of those passages is that God imbues a soul onto us the moment we're conceived, it's still a question-begging argument as to 1) whether this God is real and 2) whether everybody should be bound by laws based on said beliefs, whether or not we share them.

      They would have a doctor and pregnant woman thrown in jail (some would have them executed) for performing a medical procedure that offends their beliefs that aren't scientifically established and that not everyone holds.

      liberal bias = failure to validate or sufficiently flatter the conservative narrative on any given subject

      by RockyMtnLib on Thu Jun 21, 2012 at 07:03:36 PM PDT

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