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  •  Comfort for families (3+ / 0-)
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    When Johnny gets sick and dies because he was not required to carry insurance, his family will be comforted knowing that Johnny died fighting Fascism.

    •  About the same, I imagine, if he is hit by a car (3+ / 0-)
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      or suffers an embolism or drowns in a lake.

      More to the point, why is the problem that he's not required to carry insurance?  

      Why isn't the problem that the government doesn't provide it?

      Why isn't the problem that Democrats were too cowardly to implement a proper tax and resolve the problem in a fully Constitutional manner?

      In fact, it might not take that big a change to make the provision consitutional.

      Think of the way that the Fed is able to make states impose speed limits, drinking ages, etc:  as a condition for receipt of federal highway funds.  Don't want to do that stuff? Fine. We won't help you build roads.

      A similar situation here might be a federal insurance plan, funded by taxes, with an option to designate a private insurance carrier to administer your health care needs.

      Or even like public schools:

      We pay taxes for public schools whether or not we have kids.  If we do have kids, we are free to send them to private school, but we still must pay the taxes that fund public schools.

      Nobody tells us that we have to go purchase education from a private school.

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      by dinotrac on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 07:24:17 AM PDT

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      •  Ah, we agree HC should be provided (6+ / 0-)

        The worst part is we argue about this and that when it is proven that for profit insurance can't be sustained.

        I don't know the exact time but when the idiots are paying more for health insurance than all their other bills combined, they will listen.

        I have always advocated Medicare for all. The insurance companies will still be relevant with supplement policies.

        •  I grew up with military health care. (1+ / 0-)
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          Much better than I get now and not a bad model for the country.

          That doesn't make me willing to stretch the Constitution to impossible limits or give the government even more power to limit my personal freedom.

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          by dinotrac on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 09:12:53 AM PDT

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          •  I snap to the salute, sir! (3+ / 0-)
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            That doesn't make me willing to stretch the Constitution to impossible limits or give the government even more power to limit my personal freedom.
            Wow, rightwing hyperbole much?

            Both parties are beholden to their corporate sponsors. The Democratic Party deigns to throw us a few bones from the table on which to gnaw and squabble over, but it's just kabuki.

            by ozsea1 on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 09:57:50 AM PDT

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            •  Are you saying that progressives prefer to trash (0+ / 0-)

              the constitution and control people's lives?

              I am amazed that you would consider that statement to be hyperbole.

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              by dinotrac on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 10:54:49 AM PDT

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              •  Said no such thing (0+ / 0-)

                and your commentary is such a transparent FAIL as to be pathetic.

                Clue - avoid the obvious rightwing squawking points.

                Both parties are beholden to their corporate sponsors. The Democratic Party deigns to throw us a few bones from the table on which to gnaw and squabble over, but it's just kabuki.

                by ozsea1 on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 11:41:37 AM PDT

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                •  Of course you did, even if you do want to weenie (0+ / 0-)

                  out now.

                  That doesn't make me willing to stretch the Constitution to impossible limits or give the government even more power to limit my personal freedom.
                  You called that right-wing hyperbole.

                  Let's review:

                  This is a case where the government wishes to force people into buying the products of private companies.

                  That does stretch the commerce clause further than it's ever been stretched before and it does limit personal freedom.

                  By your statement, you clearly find it ridiculous that anybody would object to over-intrusive government.

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                  by dinotrac on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 11:48:18 AM PDT

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                  •  Let's review some more (3+ / 0-)
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                    QUACK QUACK

                    This is a case where the government wishes to force people into buying the products of private companies.
                    Ever hear of plenary power? States do this "mandate stuff" all the time. Oh noes, the abuse!!! See, I'm being oppressed! I have to do something I don't wanna !!!

                    Yet, why is it only now that you crawl out from under your rock to squeal about this?

                    QUACK QUACK

                    That does stretch the commerce clause further than it's ever been stretched before and it does limit personal freedom.
                    QUACK QUACK
                    By your statement, you clearly find it ridiculous that anybody would object to over-intrusive government.
                    No, I object to anyone that would troll this site with rightwing squawking points.

                    So please....

                    Both parties are beholden to their corporate sponsors. The Democratic Party deigns to throw us a few bones from the table on which to gnaw and squabble over, but it's just kabuki.

                    by ozsea1 on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 12:31:09 PM PDT

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            •  I agree.. (2+ / 0-)
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              When I read anyone bring up the Constitution, I know a righty is in the room. Yet they never mention the Constitution has been amended many times over the years.

          •  Stretch the Constitution, you say. (0+ / 0-)

            19 of 21 constitutional scholars say it's constitutional.

            Are you some kind of bonafide constitutional scholar?

            http://www.bloomberg.com/...

        •  Well.. (0+ / 0-)

          for profit insurance does just fine in other countries with national health care.

          The Dutch system is 100% administered by private providers.  The government picks up most of the claims, and the private insurers get to sell add-on insurance to citizens enrolled with them.  The poor get the already meager premiums picked up by the government.

          The worst part is we argue about this and that when it is proven that for profit insurance can't be sustained.
          It is not sustainable as it is currently.. that I can agree with.
          •  it works there, and in some other (1+ / 0-)
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            places, because the government regulates health care prices.

            We don't do that here, and the demand for healthcare is not "elastic," as the economists say, so it won't work here.

            Or at least, it will be a hell of a lot more expensive to make it work here.

            •  evangeline - healthcare has shown to be (0+ / 0-)

              very elastic. That's why nearly all single payer plans have added a co-pay for visits to a physician.

              "let's talk about that"

              by VClib on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 06:06:41 AM PDT

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