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  •  Did she really pay $125,000 for a pasture horse? (11+ / 0-)

    Did Ann Romney, who had been riding the horse and should clearly have known of the problem, really expect that someone would pay $125,000 for a pasture horse?

    "Full disclosure" is a funny thing.  There are lots of ways to disclose with the equivalent of sleight of hand.  If the woman bought Super Hit as a dressage horse, which so far as I know is not in contention, some "disclosure" was evidently insufficient.

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    by Seneca Doane on Fri Jun 22, 2012 at 02:19:10 PM PDT

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    •  He wasn't a pasture horse (1+ / 0-)
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      he was in work when he was sold, and the purchaser would have seen the horse every day for months. The purchaser would have known if the horse was laid up or lame during that time.

      And, sadly, the number of people who inadvertently pay their life savings for a horse that develops a problem soon after purchase is significant. Horses hurt themselves; it's what they do.

      And sometimes a horse isn't working out for a rider and no one is really sure why not.

      If the horse had been unusably lame in the first month then the story would be different.

      Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

      by elfling on Fri Jun 22, 2012 at 06:03:57 PM PDT

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      •  That doesn't seem to fit with the accounts (0+ / 0-)

        I'm seeing.  Why the extreme doping, if not to hide the infirmity?

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        by Seneca Doane on Fri Jun 22, 2012 at 06:15:02 PM PDT

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        •  Two of the tranqs were there (1+ / 0-)
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          from the prepurchase, where the vet acknowledges tranquilizing the horse for x-rays.

          The other two trouble me, because they make no sense.

          There seems to be some confusion because the vet says he administered one of them and did not write it down. I don't know what to make of that either.

          A tranquilizer does not make a horse sound, though.

          And everyone knows they'll pull blood for toxicology on a six figure horse. Heck, most people do it on any horse they vet.

          It feels to me like the vet really screwed up in his failures to disclose, if that's true, especially surprising given that it's Alamo Pintado.

          It certainly happens all the time that people offer a horse for sale that they think is sound and suitable, and the vet comes back and says that the horse has major soundness concerns and isn't suitable. (Sometimes the vets are right and sometimes they're not, but that's another show.) Think of all the times someone sells a house and has the home inspection report come back with loads of termites and structural defects that the owner never realized.

          Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

          by elfling on Fri Jun 22, 2012 at 07:14:20 PM PDT

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          •  I defer to your greater experience with horses -- (0+ / 0-)

            but to me it doesn't fundamentally change the story.  I have some pretty decent experience with contracts -- and this is awful behavior.  The wealthy Romneys, were they ethical, could just agree to take back the horse and could disassociate themselves from the doctor and trainer who seem very likely to engaged in fraud.  They didn't -- and do you know why?  Because, to quote various mafia films, "fuck you, that's why."  It's a mindset unbefitting of a President and his spouse, regardless of its technical legality.

            "The owner never realized" is a key phrase.  Do you think that Ann Romney didn't realize that her favorite horse had any problems?  My bet is that she did -- and she should have known that her agents managing an almost 20% profit of $20,000 was suspicious.  The buyer may have also figured that a Presidential candidate was not likely to cheat her.  Caveat America.

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            by Seneca Doane on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 09:28:21 AM PDT

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            •  After a month would be different (0+ / 0-)

              than a year. Once the horse goes to a new owner and a new program, it's not necessarily reasonable to expect permanent right of return.

              By the way, this wasn't her favorite horse. She never competed this horse herself.

              Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

              by elfling on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 11:31:21 AM PDT

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              •  Read the articles I linked to (0+ / 0-)

                In one of them, she says something like "you're not supposed to have favorites among your horses or children, but this horse was special."  (I think that that may be straight from the deposition.)  I'd agree that it was not her favorite horse to compete on, but that's different.

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                by Seneca Doane on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 10:21:02 AM PDT

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                •  I'm not sure where you're looking (0+ / 0-)

                  but I'm pretty sure you're mistaken, that it's her horse Baron that she's called her special favorite in interviews.

                  Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

                  by elfling on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 01:24:02 PM PDT

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