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  •  No it isn't (5+ / 0-)
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    Musk thinks his workers should have no need for unions because he's so cool.  Seriously, he thinks unions are only needed to protect workers from 'asshole' bosses and he would fire anyone who is an 'asshole' so, no need for unions, ta-da!

    Tesla Motors’ Musk: Let Me Run Detroit

    •  Get back to the issue (3+ / 0-)
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      if/when Tesla is overwhelmingly profitable and/if the workers aren't getting a share of it.  And it does seem like a reasonable baseline policy - no assholes in management.

      "I'm going to rub your faces in things you try to avoid." - Muad'Dib

      by Troubadour on Fri Jun 22, 2012 at 08:59:06 PM PDT

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      •  Sure it is reasonable (2+ / 0-)
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        and yet somehow we still have loads of asshole bosses around.

        •  Not at Tesla or SpaceX. (2+ / 0-)
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          As far as I can tell from the people who work there, the job is basically:

          1.  You will have no life other than your job, but...
          2.  You will be a god, and do work that will live forever.

          "I'm going to rub your faces in things you try to avoid." - Muad'Dib

          by Troubadour on Fri Jun 22, 2012 at 09:06:24 PM PDT

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          •  I'm willing to bet (6+ / 0-)

            it wouldn't be hard to find an asshole or two even at the Saint Musk companies.

            •  Or commenting on Daily Kos. (1+ / 0-)
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              by Troubadour on Fri Jun 22, 2012 at 09:17:59 PM PDT

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            •  Musk wants SpaceX to replace NASA.... (3+ / 0-)
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              ...without the government workers.  But with taxpayer funds.


              In addition to hosting a visit by NASA Administrator Charles Bolden on Wednesday, SpaceX CEO Elon Musk also met with Texas Gov. Rick Perry to discuss state support for the company’s proposed commercial spaceport near Brownsville. Apparently, things went well.


              February 1, 2012

              Hawthorne, CA – Space Exploration Technologies (SpaceX) has successfully test fired SuperDraco, a powerful new engine that will play a critical role in the company’s efforts to change the future of human spaceflight.


              NASA’s Commercial Crew Program awarded SpaceX $75 million in April of last year to begin work developing the escape system in order to prepare the Dragon spacecraft to carry astronauts. Less than nine months later, SpaceX engineers have designed, built and tested the engine.

              Yet, many of the same Kossacks praising Elon Musk have condemned private sector corporations attempting to do the same with public education.

              Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project.

              by PatriciaVa on Fri Jun 22, 2012 at 09:31:45 PM PDT

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              •  Ugh, this discussion is getting dumber and dumber. (3+ / 0-)
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                You just don't comprehend how technological economics works.  We have continually failed to elect a Congress with rational priorities, which has resulted in a NASA continually incapable of advancing the state of human spaceflight.  Now Elon Musk is in the active process of radically reducing the cost of access to space via small public investments that benefit everyone seeking such access, not just governments, and your complaint is the very thing that is beneficial - that he's not under the control of the corrupt assholes who've fucked NASA into a cocked hat for decades.

                "I'm going to rub your faces in things you try to avoid." - Muad'Dib

                by Troubadour on Fri Jun 22, 2012 at 09:39:56 PM PDT

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              •  If it were essential... (8+ / 0-)

                ...for every person in this country to get into space, I wouldn't want to entrust that to a private for-profit corporation.

                But we don't need a space program that covers everybody, and we do need considerable innovation in the field, which is what entrepreneurial organizations like SpaceX are good for.

                In education, the primary need isn't innovation. We have a rather good understanding of what works, because we have examples of systems in other parts of the world (like Finland) that work and because we've made public education work in this country before, for the most part.

                Our deficit in education is the will to take all that lip service about "children first" and actually put it into practice—not by undercutting the teachers who teach the kids, or by giving public schools over to for-profit companies, but by drastically increasing the size of government and giving every child whatever they need to succeed in life.

                "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

                by JamesGG on Fri Jun 22, 2012 at 09:57:27 PM PDT

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        •  I'm going to be completely honest here (3+ / 0-)
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          And it really hurts me to say this, but if I have to choose between workers rights and stopping global warming I choose stopping global warming every time.

          Which is not to say that we have to choose!!!

          At all!

          Unions make cars, and other forms of transportation that are less polluting than even electric cars, that we can use right now!

          There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

          by AoT on Fri Jun 22, 2012 at 09:08:58 PM PDT

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    •  Apparently Teslas are union-made. (1+ / 0-)
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      "I'm going to rub your faces in things you try to avoid." - Muad'Dib

      by Troubadour on Fri Jun 22, 2012 at 09:44:55 PM PDT

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