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  •  in your next to last paragraph you state (0+ / 0-)

    that socialism has a weakness: hatred, & it is b/c groups hate each other & then you list the reasons for that hatred, one of which you say is caused by competition & oppression by government which requires everyone be treated the same -- i'm paraphrasing, of course, but that's my takeaway.

    i didn't see where you factored that into your discussion of communism or capitalism & was curious why not.

    •  Oh, I see the confusion. The weaknesses of (1+ / 0-)
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      communism and capitalism that I highlighted were immanent to the respective systems, whereas the weakness of socialism was not. I could have made that clearer.

      But some social welfare states do seem to engender hatred. The social welfare state apparatus in Europe was well-supported before the arrival of Turks in Germany and the arrival of Muslims in Scandinavian countries. People tend to like mutual aid when it is mutual aid for people who look like them. But when it is mutual aid for "the other", the alien force in society, they clam up. That is a problem with socialism itself.

      There will always be plenty of things to compute in the detailed affairs of millions of people doing complicated things. -Vannevar Bush 1945

      by Nathan Jaco on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 05:44:20 PM PDT

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      •  i see. that sounds a lot like the mindset of (1+ / 0-)
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        states in the deep south -- where i grew up.  

        public swimming pools were ok, as long as blacks were prohibited from using them, & it was the same thing for schools, & movie theaters, & drinking fountains, & restaurants, etc., & now that's the main complaint i'm hearing from rw-ers & conservatives about healthcare & funding public schools & hospitals -- it's ok to spend public money on those things as long as minorities don't get the benefits.

        is that the hatred thing you're talking about, as being inherent in socialism?

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