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  •  Holly sh*t, I've got a lot to learn... (3+ / 0-)
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    twigg, Nathan Jaco, for 6 too

    Teleology, capitalism, socialism, Marxism, capitalism, Hegelian BS, Marx's metaphysical commitment to materialism....

    Some of these things I thought I had an idea of...But really, NOT!

    So much to know, so little time...

    Thanks for this Diary though, it and the subsequent discourse give me a place to start!


    I kinda screwed up with a careless uprate so (for now?) I'm a "No Rate" pariah. So when I give a comment "+110% n/t", please consider that a recommend. (That's my workaround fix to participating in this community!)

    by The Angry Architect on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 07:15:30 PM PDT

    •  Well someone has a lot to learn (2+ / 0-)
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      Thinking Fella, Lorikeet

      but it might not be you.

      It's one thing to attempt to disseminate the component parts of a theory, or system, but quite another to think that there is much to be learned from the act.

      What the Diarist probably knows, yet reduces to a simplicity that does a dis-service, is that Karl Marx was a philospher, rather than a political theorist only.

      He showed us what might be possible with a basic political theory .... "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" ...

       It's up to us to make it work, and in the last 50 years I have yet to hear a better guiding principle.

      It is a useful exercise to take that phrase and rather than applying it globally, calling it Communism and dismissing the possibility, simply apply it to a sub-system, and see how that works.

      Take Health Care .... It simply says that each should be treated according to need, and each should pay related to ability to pay.

      What's wrong with that?

      I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
      but I fear we will remain Democrats.

      by twigg on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 08:02:57 PM PDT

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      •  Right, to me, these things make sense... (1+ / 0-)
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        twigg

        at an intuitive level. But I don't have the academic training to back up my "notions". I guess that is what I find interesting about this discussion.

        The idea that mankind is a part of a natural system, and embodies both altruistic and selfish motivations based on availability of resources and the constraints of sociopolitical structures is all very fascinating to me.

        When I touched on some of these philosophies in high school, I hadn't the perspective to really appreciate them.

        As I am aging, I am swinging further left in certain regards, but also have what might be considered a libertarian streak...

        As you say of Marx:

        He showed us what might be possible with a basic political theory .... "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" ...
        Makes me think of other standards of civilization like seeking the greatest good for the greatest number, or that the success of a society is measured by how it treats its weakest members.

        We may aspire to these things, but we are highly imperfect beings. The goals, and the means to achieving these goal are delimited by these imperfections.

        I agree with comments up-thread. Formulae seem an inadequate shorthand measure of these concepts. However, the Diarist's narrative and especially the ensuing cometary excite my thoughts.


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        by The Angry Architect on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 08:59:07 PM PDT

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