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  •  you are certainly (37+ / 0-)

    correct in most part, but a couple of corrections and explanations.

    Last year, Jeffs [who leads his church from prison] did two things;

    1) Against authority in prison where Jeffs can use 240 telephone minutes/month and to a list of ten (10) people, Jeffs gave a sermon to his flock.  That resulted in him losing phone privledges until March of this year.

    2) Jeffs instructed his flock that NO man [priesthood head] could have sex [not the cult's terminology, but mine] with any of his wives. These priesthood members were to think long and hard about their worthiness. Those now outside the cult believe this was a "control" move by Jeffs. It has been reported through several sources that this caused a walk out of between 200-300 people from church services. It has also been reported that the reason for the walk out was that people who questioned the edict leave the meeting and separately contact the church about the issue. No one seems to ever know EXACTLY what happened until someone in the meeting goes public which means they need to leave the cult--always the problem. Otherwise news is passed along verbally and can get corrupted each step of the way.  

    3) Then, in the last couple of weeks, Jeffs indicated that only 15 priesthood heads could serve as the fathers. It is yet, apparently, unverified as to whether these 15 will serve as the breeding seed for the cult [God help them, they have genetic problems already], or whether these are the first 15 to be released from the "no sex" mandate. The language of the cult and our language can often mean very different things. I have read various things on news sites and sites where the FLDS is tracked, including by former members.

    These kinds of cults always bring us to the edge of trying to define "religious freedom"; a far more difficult task than the birth control issue and a far uglier one.

    202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

    by cany on Wed Jun 27, 2012 at 08:45:54 AM PDT

    •  defining the edge of religious freedom is easy: (5+ / 0-)

      False imprisonment is a hard boundary that can be used to define the limit of what a religion can do to its members.

      You have an absolute right to communicate with people outside the religion.

      You have an absolute right to leave the religion and its physical environs.

      Denying either of those rights to someone who wishes to exercise them is effectively holding someone against their will which is false imprisonment by definition.

      And needless to say, child abuse, neglect, or endangerment, constitute another set of hard boundaries.  

      "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

      by G2geek on Wed Jun 27, 2012 at 03:21:04 PM PDT

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    •  why is he allowed (0+ / 0-)

      any unsupervised telephone time to anyone but his lawyer?

      all morals are relative, but some are more relative than others.

      by happymisanthropy on Wed Jun 27, 2012 at 09:20:24 PM PDT

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