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  •  The Teton Dam collapse was also natural? (5+ / 0-)

    As these huge fires consume a big chunk of my state, I'm not in the mood for this denialist crap.

    The Teton dam in Idaho collapsed in 1976 causing the deaths of 11 people and lots of destruction.  But because there has always been floods in the past, we shouldn't believe that this disaster was man made.  Let's just ignore all the facts (like a man made dam or massive amounts of CO2 dumped into the atmosphere) and just consider it a natural disaster.

    As long as a similar natural disaster happened in the past, we've always got an excuse to ignore our own stupidity.

    No forest fires are man made because there's been lighting fires in the past, no floods are man made because there's been natural floods in the past, no cancers are human caused because there's been cancer in the past...

    Just DENY the facts, and use the lame excuse.

    •  Huh? WHat does any of this have to do with (0+ / 0-)

      drought frequency, severity and duration in the west?

      Where are we, now that we need us most?

      by Frank Knarf on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 10:12:31 AM PDT

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      •  We can always say it's natural (3+ / 0-)
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        mkor7, Steven D, wilderness voice

        The argument that droughts have happened in the past, or floods, or insect infestations,... does not automatically exclude a man made cause.  Yes there have been worse droughts in the past, but droughts are a fairly rare "part" of a climatic state.  But the data strongly supports that this is not a rare part of a climatic condition, but is rather a severe shift in the climate itself.

        We have always had extreme events within a climate condition, but what we are experiencing in the west is no longer the extreme but has become the norm.  We probably are going to break a record fire year, that was just set 10 years ago.  Denver has just broken several high temp records that were mostly set in the last couple of decades, and a string of 100+ temps that was set just 7 years ago.

        If you are implying that the events that are happening today are nothing unusual because we've had worse in the historic past, you would be wrong and your logic would forever exclude any future event being man caused unless there were NO historical events of comparison.

        The climate models have been predicting this was coming for nearly 2 decades and now its here.  Don't try to dismiss it because you can find a similar event in the historic past.

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