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  •  correction (none)
    i should have said that they are like to come from tough districts, not states, since of course, that's what matters.  if one of those CA Dogs is from the Bay Area, maybe we could bring in a less conservative dem. but i'm betting most of these Reps are from Red-leaning districts, even if the states are Blue.
    •  how hard do they want to campaign? (none)
      Incumbents get re-elected over 98% of the time in the House. If you aren't a first-termer, embroiled in scandal or the victim of redistricting, you're safe.

      It's whether you're willing to break a sweat when you run.

      Should House Dems be willing to break a sweat to advance the agenda of the party?

      Yes or no?

      Bloggin Blagojevich's Blunders: do you want to see Roddy B challenged in the Dem Primary?

      by Carl Nyberg on Thu Apr 28, 2005 at 03:42:55 PM PDT

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      •  Exactly! (none)
        A lot of these Democrats won their seats by big margins (there was a list on Kos of the ones that voted for the B-Bill, and while there were a few nail-biters, most of them led their GOP opponents by ten or more points.
    •  Fix the districts (none)
      This country is divided about 50:50, yet Republicans hold ridiculous advantages in the house delegations of states like Ohio and Pennsylvania - blue or purple states with deep, deep red House delegations.  Competetive redistricting would do more to repair democracy in this country than any other systemic remedy.
      •  cart before the horse (none)
        That's a great idea, but good luck getting anywhere on that with a GOP majority.
        •  Their State Legislatures Have A GOP Majority? (none)
          Haven't looked it up, but they likely don't and that's what matters--not the national GOP legislative majority.  (See the recent redistrictings in TX & GA.)  I think libdevil's idea is something that should be looked at carefully in such states as PA & (maybe) OH.

          But what I really think should happen is that district lines should be drawn scientifically, the same way in every state, and perhaps by virtue of a Constitutional amendment.

          "Don't sit back, kick back, and watch the world get Bushwhacked." - Smash Mouth, "Walking On The Sun"

          by Hose B on Thu Apr 28, 2005 at 05:34:10 PM PDT

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          •  Hmmm (none)
            Somebody say they have GOP legislatures, and you don't look it up but say they "likely don't and that's what matters?"  

            If you're going to tell somebody they're wrong, you might want to look it up to make sure, and that way you won't foul up like you just did: PA and OH both have complete Republican legislative control.  

            •  Actually It Was Vague (none)
              Until re-reading it after your comment I took it to mean the federal legislature.  But thanks for such a thoughtful correction.

              "Don't sit back, kick back, and watch the world get Bushwhacked." - Smash Mouth, "Walking On The Sun"

              by Hose B on Thu Apr 28, 2005 at 06:23:57 PM PDT

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    •  Tauscher (none)
      Ellen Tauscher represents a bar area House district the Dems have won in the last four presidential elections.

      She would seem to be a good target for a primary challenge, if that's the route we want to go.

      Bloggin Blagojevich's Blunders: do you want to see Roddy B challenged in the Dem Primary?

      by Carl Nyberg on Thu Apr 28, 2005 at 04:10:36 PM PDT

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    •  Ellen Tauscher (CA-10) - no excuse (none)
      She's both DLC & Blue Dog in the SF Bay area.

      Our previous rep was George Miller (good liberal)before redistricting. Now Miller represents just north of where I live. I miss the man (even if he did screw up on the recent casino fiascos).

      "Those who betray the trust...are, in my view, the most insidious of traitors." - George HW Bush

      by DavidW in SF on Thu Apr 28, 2005 at 09:06:40 PM PDT

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    •  balance between (none)
      district and person. Yes, congresscritters listen to opinion from their districts and give it various levels of weight. But we don't have government by referendum. In accordance to the system we all abide by, we elect a person to represent us and at that point we don't necessarily have a whole lot of power over how that person will vote or how they will behave. Our most effective tool to influence such things is the possibility that such a person will not get reelected. The second tool--which is effective only inasfar as it affects the representative's situation re: being reelected is contacting one's representative etc. But in no way is the system set up to provide a perfect match between the political leanings of the congresscritter and that person's district. Sometimes things are in line, sometimes they aren't. Sometimes when things get too far out of line, the congresscritter doesn't get elected again. But that doesn't happen all that often--even less so these days.

      So, rather than some sort of bizarre grandiose plan to replace current congresscritters with others who perfectly match their districts (does this include recruiting more conservative congresscritters to replace those who are "too liberal" for their districts? I didn't think so), just get at what you want. You want more Dems, or I suppose more Dems who are more liberal. Or to break it down further--you want everyone to be more liberal. Me too--to a point--but let's do it in productive ways...

      Abortions go up under Republicans. Business is better under Democrats. Pass it on.

      by JMS on Fri Apr 29, 2005 at 06:03:12 AM PDT

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