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  •  Or maybe its because... (4.00)
    Progressive have gotten a little tired of the DLC telling us to get out of their way.  Or warning us of the "threat" posed by Howard Dean's existence. Or the DLC telling progressives they are no longer viable candidates.  Or all of the above as in http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=127&subid=900056&contentid=25169

    My complaint about the DLC is that they don't look for solutions they look for compromises.  Sure they have all sorts of proposals, but precious few look like actual leadership just pandering to the near right, with the expectation that the left will thank them for being grown-ups and saving us from having to take a stand.  When in reality they're just trying to avoid being called the dreaded L word.

    http://ccindems.blogspot.com/

    by MRM46947 on Thu Apr 28, 2005 at 08:10:09 PM PDT

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    •  But RBJ wasn't saying that. (4.00)
      My views are probably closer to the dKos mainstream than to the DLC but I read their stuff regularly.  It's a better reality check than Republican sites which I find considerably more doctrinaire.  It distresses me to see the DLC constantly flamed.  Yes, when From acts like moderates are the only legitimate faction in the party it is grating.  And I find it no less so when progressives do the same thing.

      Cut RBJ some slack.  I want a tent big enough for him to fit under.  

      The GOP: Making America safe for heterosexuals, one cartoon character at a time.

      by Pho on Thu Apr 28, 2005 at 08:41:51 PM PDT

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    •  See, that's the thing. (2.50)
      I disagree in part because it grates me too, when the DLC proposes policies that seem more like 'compromise' than 'leadership'.  The problem is, I see that not as pandering to the right, but as pandering to the extremist fringes of the Dems; they get attacked so much that they've been cowed into defensiveness and submission by the dominant, more-to-the-left faction of our own party.

      I admit, the "We're the adults in the room" shtick from the DLC is not good.  But you know what?  Comparatively, sometimes they are.  When Louise Slaughter posts a diary here using the incindiary language of the GOP "Raping" ethics rules, or in general all the hyperbole that gets tossed around on this board...

      ...See, that's the thing.  I really, really, really, really have a chip on my shoulder about hyperbole.  Because it's the one thing that serves no useful purpose that we do just because to our base, it "feels good", and it's the single biggest thing keeping swing voters from taking us seriously.

      I want swing voters to come on our side voting FOR what we believe in.  Not just voting AGAINST the Republicans because they can't stomach the corruption and the pandering to fundamentalists.

      Last election, out of Bush's support, way more of his support was genuine.  Way more of our support was the "I'd vote for a Ham Sandwich over George Bush" crowd.  The people we're already going to get anyways.  There's room for growth in that crowd, sure, but what's more important is to grow the ranks of relatively nonaligned voters who will feel good about voting for a Democrat, not like they're picking the lesser of two evils.

      And you know what?  The biggest, most fundamental thing we can do in that regard is to drop the Hyperbole Wing of the Democratic party, or at least give them a firm spanking.  Bush is a genuinely bad president.  He's not Hitler.  I'm frankly not so sure he's the worst president in history -- we've had a hell of a lot of presidents.  I don't think he's done anything impeachable.  I don't think he's engaged in some corrupt scheme to sell out the country for Oil/Likudniks/The Bildeberger Group/The Illuminati/World Imperialism.  I do, however, take very serious issue with quite a few of his policies.

      I think in that sentiment, I'm in the majority -- Both of the Democratic party, and of Americans.

      And nothing turns me off more, makes me more sympathetic to people I really shouldn't be sympathetic to, than seeing some protester with wannabe hippy-kids who couldn't bother to dress cleanly knowing they'd be on TV waving a "No Blood For Oil, ChimpyMcHitler and Amerikkka" sign.

      I'm not the only one.  And I'm not an old fuddy-duddy.  I'm 19 years old.  It's my generation that tends the same way.  I'm from one of the least extremist, most wired-in, most centrist generations on record.  And I don't like to be alienated by a faction of my own side that gets all the press time and spends 80% of it making us look like we can't be trusted.

      The DLC, for all their faults, for all the things that just make me want to smack my head against the wall and say "How could you possibly think that would work?!"...

      ...For all of that, sometimes they're the ones portraying themselves as the grownups in the room.  And that may not be all that counts, but when it comes to building a party that works, that's where you start.

      Thanks for your time.  I appreciate your thoughts.

      I bomb atomically / Socrates' philosophies and hypotheses can't define how I be droppin' these.

      by RealityBasedJoe on Thu Apr 28, 2005 at 09:40:05 PM PDT

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      •  Hyperbole (4.00)
        I agree about the words we toss around being "in-artful," but clearly hyperbole isn't something that bothers the public.  If it did Ann Coulter wouldn't have a job.

        But the DLC is just as guilty, their 2 year long and running hatch job on Dean has been nothing short of a smear campaign.  They managed to derail a very popular movement. And then again in January, the DLC didn't offer any leadership, they just wanted to pander a little to the republicans in their district, knowing full well that Dean would be the chair.  

        So there is acting like an adult and being an adult.  Howard Dean is an adult, From acts like an adult.  Just because a few progressives or liberals use incendiary words doesn't disqualify the whole left wing of the party.  To do so ignores some very serious thinkers, Sen Kennedy, George McGovern, and Paul Wellstone come to mind.

        I'll take a leader over a poser any day.  There is plenty of room in this party for leadership form both wings, but we need real leadership, not pandering and grandstanding.  

        http://ccindems.blogspot.com/

        by MRM46947 on Fri Apr 29, 2005 at 07:14:10 AM PDT

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