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  •  US Stealth is the best in the world (9+ / 0-)

    The radar on the F-22, for example, shift frequencies many times per second so that no one can lock on to the signal.

    Cruise missiles followed by F-22 and they have little AA capability left.

    Best pilots the Syrian have, in their best planes, having the best days they've ever had in their lives, lose against an F-22 without knowing they are in a fight.

    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra En théorie, il n'y a aucune différence entre théorie et pratique, mais en pratique, il y a toujours une différence. - Yogi Berra

    by blue aardvark on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 12:29:40 PM PDT

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    •  William Lind doesn't think much of stealth (0+ / 0-)

      technology.  Stealth Turkey:

      The Pentagon says the F-15 and F-16 aren’t good enough now because they aren’t “stealth” aircraft like the F-35. The problem is, stealth is a fraud. Supposedly, enemy radars cannot pick up stealth planes. But they can. Early in our 1999 war with Serbia, the Serbs shot down one of the Air Force’s stealth F-117 fighter/bombers. Beside the wreckage, they put a sign, in English: “Sorry, we did not know it was supposed to be invisible.”

      Long-wavelength search radars, like those used in the Battle of Britain and still sold around the world by the Russians, readily detect stealth aircraft, and there is nothing aeronautical engineers can do to get around that problem. They would have to put anti-radar coatings one or two meters thick on the planes’ wings, turning them into unflyable blobs.

      The Pentagon replies that stealth will still protect the F-35 from the short-wave radars in enemy fighters and radar-guided missiles. That claim also fails under scrutiny. First, radar-guided missiles—ground-to-air and air-to-air—have a 50-year record of dismal combat performance, with probabilities of kill (Pk) seldom attaining 0.1: one hit in ten shots. It’s hard to justify a trillion dollars to defend against that.

      The influence of the [executive] has increased, is increasing, and ought to be diminished.

      by lysias on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 12:42:12 PM PDT

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      •  We flew hundreds of F-117 sorties over Bosnia. (5+ / 0-)
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        They shot down 1 - and that was a plane flying a route that had been used enough times that the Serbs were waiting.

        If long-wave radars were a quick and dirty solution to US Stealth you can be certain the Serbs (with lots of Russian help, mind) would have gotten more than one.

        In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra En théorie, il n'y a aucune différence entre théorie et pratique, mais en pratique, il y a toujours une différence. - Yogi Berra

        by blue aardvark on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 01:04:46 PM PDT

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        •  so you are more of an expert (0+ / 0-)

          than an actual expert.  Nice to know

          Bad is never good until worse happens

          by dark daze on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 01:08:46 PM PDT

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          •  I think experience trumps expertise (3+ / 0-)
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            Lind has his theory.

            I have data - hundreds of sorties.

            So Lind can write another 5,000 pages about long wave radar, and I'll continue to believe that our stealthy planes don't get shot down by SAM sites guided by WWII technology until it starts happening.

            In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra En théorie, il n'y a aucune différence entre théorie et pratique, mais en pratique, il y a toujours une différence. - Yogi Berra

            by blue aardvark on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 01:14:46 PM PDT

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            •  lets hope we arent stupid enough (1+ / 0-)
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              to start a fight with a world power.  We havent gone up against a world power in 50 years.

              Bad is never good until worse happens

              by dark daze on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 01:19:29 PM PDT

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            •  Experience with the F-22 doesn't seem that good. (0+ / 0-)

              Martin F-22 Raptor Operational Problems:

              On February 11, 2007, twelve Raptors flying from Hawaii to Japan were forced to turn back due to a software glitch in the F-22s' on-board navigational computers.[221]. During 2010–2012 periodic operational hazards surfaced regarding F-22 operations. In February 2010 the entire fleet was grounded due to rusting ejection seat rods.[222] In May 2011 the entire fleet was grounded following the November 2010 crash near Elmendorf Air Force Base, Alaska. The F-22 had been restricted to flying below 25,000 ft while the Honeywell oxygen generating system was inspected. After five incidents of pilots suffering from hypoxia and decompression,[223] General William M. Fraser III of Air Combat Command grounded the F-22 fleet indefinitely on 3 May 2011.[224][225] In June 2011, the investigation broadened across the life support systems,[226] and aircraft deliveries were stopped.[227]

              In July 2011 the investigation suspected a scenario in which the pilots were poisoned by carbon monoxide from the engines while warming up the aircraft inside the hangars.[228] Tests on pilots have found other chemicals have been inhaled from the on-board oxygen generating system (OBOGS), including oil fumes and propane.[229][230] In September 2011, the F-22 returned to flight with added pilot safety equipment and careful monitoring of crew and aircraft, while the investigation continued.[231][232] On 21 October 2011, Langley's F-22s were grounded after a suspected oxygen system problem;[233][234] Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson grounded their aircraft as well.[235] All aircraft were cleared to fly again on 25 October.[236]

              In late October 2011, Lockheed Martin was awarded a $24M contract to find the cause of the oxygen system difficulty, as well as providing other sustainment functions.[237] In mid-December 2011, the Air Force said that there had been 14 episodes since September, when the F-22s returned to operation, in which pilots experienced "physiological incidents" that might have been caused by a lack of oxygen.[238] A USAF report released on 13 January 2012 stated that toxins entering the aircraft environmental control system and associated onboard oxygen generation system caused the hypoxia-like symptoms in pilots and aircraft maintenance personnel between April and September 2011. The report did not conclusively identify the cause for the problem.[239] Up to April 2012 seven serious accidents occurred with two pilots killed. Since the redeployment in September 2011, 11 incidents of pilots reporting hypoxia-like symptoms have been recorded.[240]

              Air Force pilots have reported being pressured to continue flying the aircraft in spite of fearing for their safety because of the still-unresolved problems with the oxygen system.[12] And half of all F-22 pilots have "lost confidence in the aircraft".[241] General Mike Hostage stated that some of the 200 Raptor pilots have asked to transfer to other areas because of the problem.[242] Hostage said that he will start flying the aircraft himself to better understand the relevant issues.[243]

              In May 2012, it was announced that two pilots, Major Jeremy Gordon and Captain Josh Wilson, who had appeared on the CBS news program 60 Minutes, saying they didn’t feel safe in the jet, were considered whistleblowers protected by the federal whistleblower legislation.[244] Defense Secretary Leon Panetta subsequently ordered that all F-22 flights stay "within the proximity of potential landing locations" as more pilots came forward to report hypoxia-like symptoms.[245][246]

              F-22 pilots suffer from a "Raptor Cough" more often than the pilots of other fighters, but the cause also remains unknown.[247] This may be due to a combination of the C2A1 chemical warfare filter, which is installed on every flight and showers the pilots with a fine dust of carbon particles, and high concentrations of oxygen caused by high-G high altitude maneuvers that other American jet fighters can not duplicate, leading to the collapse of the pilot's pulmonary alveolus.[248] However the routine use of the chemical warfare filter was found to be unneeded and has been discontinued.[249] Another cause may be the pressure-garment worn by the pilots, which may interfere with breathing; the fix may be to use the more evolved design built for the F-35.[250][12] In the meantime the pilots have been instructed to not wear the pressure vests during routine flights.[251] The same vests have shown an almost "unanimous failure rate in testing".[252]

              The influence of the [executive] has increased, is increasing, and ought to be diminished.

              by lysias on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 01:50:40 PM PDT

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    •  f-22 (1+ / 0-)
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      still hasnt seen combat and we have been at war for a decade.  Some pilots refuse to even fly the thing since it could and does cut off oxygen supplies.

      Bad is never good until worse happens

      by dark daze on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 01:07:24 PM PDT

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      •  And it's still by far the best air superiority (1+ / 0-)
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        fighter in the world.

        In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra En théorie, il n'y a aucune différence entre théorie et pratique, mais en pratique, il y a toujours une différence. - Yogi Berra

        by blue aardvark on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 01:08:37 PM PDT

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        •  you cant fly it (1+ / 0-)
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          Bad is never good until worse happens

          by dark daze on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 01:09:00 PM PDT

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          •  I don't need to. USAF has pilots for that. (0+ / 0-)

            Every aircraft has technical problems. The F-22 is no exception and no one should think it'd be an exception.
            the F-22 has the ability to fly much higher and faster than any other aircraft in the world. Combined with exceptional US detection and coordination abilities (AWACS, satelites, AEGIS) the F-22 can close on an enemy, fire, and vector out of harm's way before the targets know they're under attack.

            Combine that with the tremendous size of the US air fleet, and it is pretty clear there is no other air force quite in the USAF's category.

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