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  •  No, they don't support your mandate. (7+ / 0-)
    Sixty-one percent of Americans are against the mandate, the issue at the center of the Republicans' contention that the law is unconstitutional, while 39 percent favor it.
    Three parts chocolate and one part dog shit is dog shit.

    You keep pretending people are somehow ignorant, when the simple fact is that they are not willing to make the same trade-offs you are.

    Brutally fucking working people by offering them a choice between huge bills for junk insurance or a giant tax hike isn't something most Americans go for.

    Even if they approve of other parts of the bill.

    Thinking the "food stamp challenge" teaches you about being poor is like thinking a camping trip will give you insight into being homeless.

    by JesseCW on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 04:23:58 PM PDT

    •  There's still 3 parts chocolate. (5+ / 0-)

      Instead of tossing all of it in the trash since there's a bit of dogshit in it as you would, the smarter thing to do is to separate the dogshit out and keep the chocolate. You'd rather side with Republicans and kill it all.

      24/7, it's all 'Great news for Romney!'

      by doinaheckuvanutjob on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 08:02:35 PM PDT

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      •  You'd rather side with Bob Dole, and support the (4+ / 0-)
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        plan he proposed in 1996.

        Because you just don't care about working people making more than poverty and less than enough.

        It's increasingly clear that shitting on us and chortling while doing it is almost a prerequisite for membership in the modern Democratic Party - a Party that was once ours.

        It's been taken over by selfish white-collar assholes who screw us for their own advantage at every opportunity.  

        This is just one example.  Seeing it for what it is, and calling it what it is, doesn't mean "siding with Republicans".

        It just means understanding that it's not just 1%'ers who are trying to hurt us.

        Thinking the "food stamp challenge" teaches you about being poor is like thinking a camping trip will give you insight into being homeless.

        by JesseCW on Tue Jun 26, 2012 at 02:28:54 AM PDT

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        •  Take your shot elsewhere. (0+ / 0-)

          I bet I know more about working people making more than poverty and less than enough in one day than you have in a lifetime.

          Your comment is hysterical it shows how ungrounded your thinking and being is. I'd attend to that before unloading a string of idiocy at someone here.

          There's surely a bathroom nearby where you can dump your hostility and flush it so no one around you is harmed by it.

          24/7, it's all 'Great news for Romney!'

          by doinaheckuvanutjob on Wed Jun 27, 2012 at 11:58:24 PM PDT

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      •   I 'm gonna vomit. (1+ / 0-)
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    •  It is not "a giant tax hike." (2+ / 0-)
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      It's a pretty damn small penalty fee.

      A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen, and philosophers and divines. ~Ralph Waldo Emerson

      by tb mare on Tue Jun 26, 2012 at 09:30:38 AM PDT

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    •  Brutally fucking working people by giving them (4+ / 0-)

      subsidies and a chance to live through the fatal illness that will at some point confront them?

      History merely repeats itself; it doesn't cure its own ills. That is the burden of the present.

      by ZedMont on Tue Jun 26, 2012 at 09:34:21 AM PDT

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    •  Chocolate isn't free (1+ / 0-)
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      If you are really informed, and realize that the good stuff has to get paid for somehow, then integrity demands that you also disfavor requiring the insurance industry to cover pre-existing conditions, etc.

      Those who think the mandate is unconstitutional mostly can't spell unconstitutional.

      If the mandate had been sold with RW rhetoric (as Romney sold it in Mass), that it is making the freeloaders pay their fair share, the word "mandate" would be as unassailable a concept as "upperdownvote" used to be.

    •  But when the (giant?) tax hike comes in, (0+ / 0-)

      the mammoth paycheck deductions for healthcare go out. As long as the tax increase is less than the deductions were, they win. Better healthcare, more money on payday. Problem is, no one is stressing this to the doubters.

      There would need to be numbers...

      I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. - Paul Krugman

      by Gentle Giant on Tue Jun 26, 2012 at 11:11:07 AM PDT

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