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  •  "Fiscal Responsibility and Self-Governance"... (4+ / 0-)
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    ozsea1, LeftHandedMan, native, palantir

    ...may be "conservative" when applied to one's personal life (I guess as opposed to being a "liberal spender"), but they have nothing to do with political conservatism or the conservative movement, and it is a mistake to use the words to imply that they do.  

    "Conservative" fiscal policy is that the wealthiest are always taxed too much (no matter how much they are actually taxed), and spending that helps the poor is always too high (no matter how much they have already cut from it).  "Conservative" fiscal policy says taxes on the wealthy do not have to be paid for, but benefits for the poor do (but not by raising taxes on those who can pay them).

    "Self-governance" (or as they're more likely to call it, "personal responsibility") is something that applies to other people, not themselves.  Whether it's using government funds from programs they have derided, getting abortions at clinics they have protested, or committing the voter fraud that they claim is rampant, there is always an excuse to explain why the rules they create for others shouldn't apply to them.

    "If you want me to treat your ideas with respect, get better ideas." John Scalzi

    by SoCalJayhawk on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 11:47:43 AM PDT

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    •  I totally agree... (4+ / 0-)

      the point I was trying to make (inelegantly...ha!) was that the conservative movement as it exists today does not espouse conservative principles - hence, the irony.

      The boss I  mentioned goes to lengths to make me understand that he does not agree with Mitt Romney's agenda - but that it's not enough to make him change his vote.  I mentioned that Obama's agenda, in an effort to promote bipartisanship at the beginning of his term, actually is a nod to true conservative principles (Nixon created the EPA, for god's sake) but, as we lament constantly here and on other liberal sites, this version of the Republican party is a smash-and-grab, me-first philosophy.

      Makes me wonder how bad the Repubs need to screw up this country before we throw them, all of them, out.

      •  No, you made your point very well. (0+ / 0-)

        What used to be "conservatism" is no longer the same thing as it once was. Today's Republican Party has gone way off the deep end of fiscal, social, and foreign policy, and even responsibility -- to the point where it now espouses outright militarism, oppression of the lower classes, and private ownership and control of what used to be called the commons.

        To call these policies "conservative" is a misnomer, because they are in fact not conservative, but rather radical right-wing policies. They might appeal to your boss and other bosses, on account of their promise to reduce taxes on them, but the end result of this philosophy would not be at all pleasant, neither for your boss nor for his employees.

        The direction that the Republican Party is trying to take us, is toward an iron-clad Corporate/State controlled oligarchy, in which wages are low and profits are high, corporate globalism rules, and war is a constant reality demanding vigilant attention and domestic repression.

        This is not conservatism, this is insanity. This is twisting the thought of Edmond Burke into so many spirals he would never recognize himself. This is Christianity on crank, on steroids. This is xenophobia magnified to Armageddon. This is just plain nuts.

        "Here's another nice mess you've gotten me into." - Oliver Hardy

        by native on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 08:02:14 PM PDT

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