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  •  Too true. Yet currently we have nearly half of, (4+ / 0-)

    or even more than half of the populace embracing the ideals of Jefferson's "Aristocrats". Why would they do that? How could this be?  Is there some sort of mass-suicidal impulse that liberals have failed to discern?

    Or a mass-identification perhaps, with the rich and famous among us, the "successful" people as it were? The desire and hope that we too, though lowly-born and presently disadvantaged, may some day rise to dream-like heights of prosperity and power? Is that what the "American Dream" is fundamentally made of, for so many "Conservative" Americans?

    The pirate mentality, the casino mentality, the winner-take-all mentality which is essentially criminal in nature, has always been a big part of the American psyche. It favors independence over regulation. It favors Dirty Harry over Jimmy Carter. We have folk heroes like Jesse James and Billy the Kid and J.P. Morgan, who defied authority but either won the day, or lost it in a blaze of mythological glory.

    Martin Luther King.... only recently and not so much. As for Gandhi, who the fuck is he? The  rational, well-educated, and relatively compassionate side of the American character is not so deeply rooted as the other side of it.

    Americans are largely an ill-educated people, though we are passionately opinionated, generous, proud, greedy, and ambitious.

    "Here's another nice mess you've gotten me into." - Oliver Hardy

    by native on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 01:08:50 PM PDT

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    •  Part of the mystery (4+ / 0-)
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      can be cleared up by reading Bob Altmeyer's

      He has spent a long time answering the question "Why are there authoritarian followers?" Its really a conundrum. But its also a constant in our history. It might be the case that education would solve the problem but at least part of it is emotional preference for a "strong leader" to "keep us safe".

      "If I pay a man enough money to buy my car, he'll buy my car." Henry Ford

      by johnmorris on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 03:39:54 PM PDT

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      •  That explains it well, but how strong (1+ / 0-)
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        do you feel this authoritatarian current to be? We live in revolutionary times, when all manner of religious, political and ethical paradigms are being overturned.

        Ordinary people feel cast adrift from the moral and ethical sphere within which they have lived for generations.

        Human beings need a firm metaphysical foundation upon which to base their political loyalties, especially in chaotic times.

        "Here's another nice mess you've gotten me into." - Oliver Hardy

        by native on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 04:10:04 PM PDT

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        •  I'll give the answer (3+ / 0-)
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          to the question "how low can GW's approvals go?" Tyrone, without pausing says "27%". John says "How do you know that?" Tyrone says "Barack Obama faces Allen Keyes in a Senate race in 2004. Keyes is from out of state so he has no local base. Both candidates are black so there's no racial advantage. And Keyes is so bug fuck nuts that he thinks abortion is the equivalent of the Holocaust. He pulls 27% of the vote. So, there is a reliable Republican constituency out there that is so bug fuck nuts, they'll never give up."

          I think those are the authoritarian followers. I know some of them. A firm metaphysical foundation doesn't have to be rational. I'm a Liberal Democrat from a labor background so I think mine is mostly rational but some of it is class consciousness. The R's, I don't know.

          "If I pay a man enough money to buy my car, he'll buy my car." Henry Ford

          by johnmorris on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 05:55:47 PM PDT

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