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  •  Yikes. (22+ / 0-)

    I've heard stuff like this, too:

    she would prefer to see Mitt Romney win the election so he could just run the economy into the ground and so we could start over with someone new.
    But... Good lord, after 8 years of Bush, certainly we've realized that things can just get worse, and worse, and worse.  There's no bottoming out.

    Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

    by pico on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 10:50:53 PM PDT

    •  ultimately it's Maoist. (4+ / 0-)
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      The idea is to exacerbate the contradictions of capitalism until the proletariat rise up in revolution.

      Needless to say things don't always work out as intended.

      So I wonder about this: would it get some of these defeatist types off their asses to vote, by asking them if they're Maoist and hoping for revolution?   This on the hypothesis that some of them are misguided progressives who will be horrified at being associated with Maoism and react against it.

      Alternately, ask them how bad it has to get: race riots? overt starvation? collapse scenarios?  Oh, and what will they expect to do when they can't get toilet paper?  

      "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

      by G2geek on Tue Jun 26, 2012 at 01:34:39 AM PDT

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      •  and again, just because things are bad (2+ / 0-)
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        It doesn't mean that everyone "sees the light" and does exactly what you want. It could gt far, far worse. or it could get better for the few that wield power. It's really a thought experiment that I'd rather not live out.

      •  I know a lot of neo-cons used to be (1+ / 0-)
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        leftists and I sometimes wonder if some of them aren't playing the worse is better Maoist game in secret.

        There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

        by AoT on Tue Jun 26, 2012 at 07:42:53 AM PDT

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        •  It's older than Mao (0+ / 0-)

          Anyone remember that old Communist nickname for Hitler, the "icebreaker of revolution"? Because he was supposed to make things so bad that they would end up getting better.

          "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

          by sagesource on Thu Jun 28, 2012 at 04:14:55 PM PDT

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      •  There are plenty on this site who insist that we (1+ / 0-)
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        are finally at the end crisis of capitalism and should all work to bring on the revolution and eliminate private property.  Most of them will insist they are not Maoists but rather the heralds of a new glorious socialist paradise.

        It is no use arguing with them but I do feel the need to mock them occasionally.

        Where are we, now that we need us most?

        by Frank Knarf on Tue Jun 26, 2012 at 09:37:32 AM PDT

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        •  Capitalism does not work and you do not (1+ / 0-)
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          have to be a Maoist to see that. And by the way what exactly is a Maoist and how is he like anything on the American left? You understand that if we were Communists we would just simply take your stuff by force, right? And that Mao and Lenin and Castro preached and practiced this right? So away with your tired cliches and your false equivalences? You are as bad as Issa arguing that "Fast and Furious was a plot to take away guns.

          Your need to mock betrays an immaturity that makes it impossible for you to contribute anything serious to a discussion. And you run the risk of persuading the unpersuaded that Obama's supporters are as irrational and immature as your average Rush Limbaugh supporter.

          If Obama's policies were so great why is unemployment above 8%? The real reasons is because of loss of government jobs but that is the way of capitalism is it not?
          Free market reformers cutting the size of government is causing suffering that capitalism can not ease.

          There will be no glorious socialist paradise but there will be no glorious capitalist paradise either. And the proven policies of the past that have worked have been thrown aside by Republicans and DLC Democrats. Like you. So while you are mocking people who disagree with you people are hurting. And you refuse to help them. And you reduce those of us who would help them to an irrelevant stereotypic And if you reflect the Presidents most ardent supporters it is no wonder he is losing the left. And if Romney wins do not blame me, because I do not matter, right?

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