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  •  Anyone who thinks (13+ / 0-)

    that Obama was "best buddies" with the insurance companies because he negotiated a deal with them on getting universal access to health care for the first time in this county's history would also have to believe that Reagan was best buddies with Gorbachev for negotiating arms reduction treaties.

    Somehow it never ceases to amaze me how politically ignorant many on the left can be.

    Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is important that you do it. - Mahatma Gandhi

    by NLinStPaul on Tue Jun 26, 2012 at 06:57:50 AM PDT

    •  With all due respect, NLin (22+ / 0-)

      I think there's not a person alive, who can speak on this with more authority than Wendell Potter.

      •  With all due respect nyceve... (8+ / 0-)

        I have a brain of my own and don't need Wendell Potter to tell me what to think.

        If you think politics can be done - either on domestic or foreign policy issues - without negotiating with your opponents, that is the height of naiveté.

        Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is important that you do it. - Mahatma Gandhi

        by NLinStPaul on Tue Jun 26, 2012 at 07:06:25 AM PDT

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        •  well NLIn, your comment belies (8+ / 0-)

          your own political naivete.  All this administration did was negotiate  with our opponents.

           

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            All this administration did was negotiate  with our opponents.
            What you don't seem to understand is that's what politics is.

            You mentioned civil rights upthread. Do you know how they got past the filibuster on the Civil Rights bill in 1964? They negotiated with their opponents and dropped many of the provisions related to private businesses.

            Do you know how we got social security? FDR negotiated with the southern racists to drop its application to most black people.

            THAT, my friend, is how change happens.

            As a result of this administration's negotiations, we got universal access to health care for the first time in this country. We also got the biggest stimulus in history. We also got the end of DADT. We also got the Volcker Ruler and CFPB in Wall Street Reform. Now we're seeing Republicans shit bricks over the successful negotiations on the debt ceiling deal.

            If you want to be a true advocate for single payer - go for it.

            But if you want to comment on the politics of governing, I'd suggest you learn a bit more about how things actually get done.  

            Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is important that you do it. - Mahatma Gandhi

            by NLinStPaul on Tue Jun 26, 2012 at 07:29:31 AM PDT

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        •  August 12, 2009 (8+ / 0-)

          http://www.nytimes.com/...

          Obama Is Taking an Active Role in Talks on Health Care Plan

          Not to worry, Jim Messina, the deputy White House chief of staff, told the hospital lobbyists, according to White House officials and lobbyists briefed on the call. The White House was standing behind the deal, Mr. Messina told them, capping the industry’s costs at a maximum of $155 billion over 10 years in exchange for its political support.

          Some Democrats and industry lobbyists now argue that, in negotiating deals through Mr. Baucus’s committee with powerful health care interests, the White House was tacitly signaling as early as last spring that it might end up accepting something more modest than the government insurer the president has said he prefers. ..................

          Several hospital lobbyists involved in the White House deals said it was understood as a condition of their support that the final legislation would not include a government-run health plan paying Medicare rates — generally 80 percent of private sector rates — or controlled by the secretary of health and human services.

          “We have an agreement with the White House that I’m very confident will be seen all the way through conference,” one of the industry lobbyists, Chip Kahn, director of the Federation of American Hospitals, told a Capitol Hill newsletter.

          •  I'm not sure (3+ / 0-)
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            about your point in responding with that quote.

            If you're suggesting that Obama negotiated in order to get health care reform done - that's EXACTLY my point. Of course he did!

            On that particular issue though - you've bought into a lie.

            Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is important that you do it. - Mahatma Gandhi

            by NLinStPaul on Tue Jun 26, 2012 at 08:53:08 AM PDT

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            •  My point wasn't (9+ / 0-)

              that Obama did not negotiate to 'get heath care reform' He negotiated to keep the health care industry for profit profitable. Privatized and profitable with no controls over price and no other option is not reform. Health care for profit is an oxymoron. Why were all negotiations only for and about the health of the health care industries? Who represented the people's interests? What he got done is a huge subsidy mandated with still no way for people to get affordable health care or access.

              Your link does not impress me. I haven't bought into a lie. The link is an oped that's opinion. The author has his interpretation of what went down and I find it unconvincing.      

              •  I can see (4+ / 0-)

                how you'd be confused about health care reform if you think that all it included was a mandate.

                But on the question of who was representing the people's interest? That would be the Democrats who got:

                1. An end to denials for pre-existing conditions
                2. An end to lifetime limits
                3. The MLR - which regulates both profit AND admin of insurers
                4. An end to the donut hole in Medicare prescriptions
                5. 15 million more people eligible for Medicaid
                6. Subsidies for people to buy insurance
                7. Money for more community health clinics
                8. Insurance exchanges for people in the individual and small group market
                9. Free preventative services
                10. 6 million young people under 26 covered by their parents insurance

                And that's just the top 10.

                Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is important that you do it. - Mahatma Gandhi

                by NLinStPaul on Tue Jun 26, 2012 at 10:28:39 AM PDT

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                •  I understand (4+ / 0-)
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                  what it says it does for those that can afford it and also for the really poor. . I realize that it is a lifeline for millions of people. It does not control price. How many can afford to pay to have their children covered? How many 'small businesses can afford to buy insurance even if they join an exchange. It does not make health care affordable for people they still have to come up with outrageous premiums that have high deductibles and are junk.

                  It also pits people against each other. those who are poor enough to be eligible for subsidies or affluent enough to afford premiums that are as high as our mortgage vs many of us who cannot afford to live decently and pay for junk insurance that does them no good when they require a doctor..

                  This is not right and there is no reason that this written for the for profits should be all we can have.  The insurance companies should be regulated and reined in and health care should be affordable for all of us. It is not irresponsible to want what every civilized western nation has. A health care system that isn't just for profit and provides it's citizens with an option that doesn't leave them facing a choice like having a home or insurance.

                  Health care for profit is an oxymoron.      

                  •  We used the Kaiser calculator (1+ / 0-)
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                    to find out if we were eligible for any subsidies.  To my utter amazement, we are eligible for more than half of our premiums as a tax credit.  It blew my mind, because we are not poor; not rich either :-)

                    The out-of-pocket maximums are much lower than we currently face, with a $2,500 per person deductibel per year ($10,000 for all 5 of us).....total under the ACA, for the whole family, would be $6,250.  That's a family of 5, with 3 of us having "pre-existing conditions".

                    No payments for preventative maintenance (as hubby calls it).

                    So, the $3,000 bill I received from the CT company would be paid.  The $7,000 bill I received from the hospital after the hysterectomy would be paid.  We never would have had $50,000 in medical debt after the issues of the youngest son......$6,250 would be it, for all of us.

                    No limits on the insurance company payouts.

                    Employer-based coverage doesn't even change!  If you have employer-based coverage now, nothing in your life changes EXCEPT you can opt out of that for something less-expensive and better.  Once that starts happening en masse, employers jump on the single payer plan (why they don't now is a fuckin' mystery to me).

                    I really don't get it.  It almost seems like it has to be free or nothing.  That's not how it's going to work in the USA.  So, keep working to advance the ball a few yards.

                    David Koch is fucking Longshanks, and Occupy is the real Braveheart.

                    by PsychoSavannah on Tue Jun 26, 2012 at 02:58:23 PM PDT

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      •  Wendell Potter who found God after he (0+ / 0-)

        Was comfortably set up for life, and after he made how many decisions that ruined lives?

        Sorry. While I admire the fact that Potter finally had his "come to Jesus" moment, I dont hold him as the voice of wisdom and knowledge in the industry. There ARE people in the industry who stand up and say, "no, I won't go there" on a regular basis. Of course, they don't draw the salary Potter did. It's hard to advance at lightening speed, and eventually you hit a ceiling, when you're not toeing the corporate line.

        © grover


        So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

        by grover on Tue Jun 26, 2012 at 10:19:25 AM PDT

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