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  •  In over their heads, I suspect (30+ / 0-)

    I think Obama believed some of his own propaganda, and came into office with enough hubris to think he actually could get the lions to lie down with the lambs.  I'm equally suspicious that he and Rahm got played by AHIP executives, probably with the connivance of Max Baucus in the Senate.  My understanding is that the White House probably thought they had a deal with the industry, and that they'd deliver enough Republican votes to push the bill through.

    Once the process started, industry figures drove hard for a different bargain, using Baucus to stall the process enough that corporate-sponsored geezers and media outlets would put more pressure on Democrats to deliver a better deal.  The White House and Congressional Democrats had no choice but to scramble to salvage what they could, and gave the ground they had to.

    Just my guess, but it explains the known facts to me better than any other theory I've heard.

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    by Dallasdoc on Tue Jun 26, 2012 at 07:33:18 AM PDT

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    •  I think Obama believed in all of his propaganda (32+ / 0-)

      As he told the bankers in 2009:

      "My administration is the only thing between you and the pitchforks,"
      For whatever reason, this POTUS is more comfortable in making deals w/ people whom we have long viewed as our opposition than he is in confronting our opponents.  Confrontation, as per the likes of Gibbs, is reserved for us:
      The press secretary dismissed the “professional left” in terms very similar to those used by their opponents on the ideological right, saying, “They will be satisfied when we have Canadian healthcare and we’ve eliminated the Pentagon. That’s not reality.”

      Of those who complain that Obama caved to centrists on issues such as healthcare reform, Gibbs said: “They wouldn’t be satisfied if Dennis Kucinich was president.”

      W/ all due respect to the former WH Press Secretary, reality is that, in 2 days, 5 Supremes will gut if not entirely overturn the HC bill that we found to be so unsatisfying.  I wonder what this WH will say to "the professional left" then.

      Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

      by RFK Lives on Tue Jun 26, 2012 at 07:49:54 AM PDT

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    •  Especially After the 'Lost Summer' (15+ / 0-)

      Where was the president?  He seemed to go into hiding while the town hall meetings raged with anti reform shout-downs and the media got free reign to frame it all any way they wanted.  Very naive or deliberate, it was our loss as a country.

      Will he take up arms and go to bat on a post-supreme court decision environment in his second term?  Is hoping for a renewed battle to offer at least a public option a bridge too far?  Time is running out.

      •  This term was largely lost in 8/09 (14+ / 0-)

        I spoke to a friend who's the COS for a Dem MOC the night of a really ugly town hall.  He told me that, at one point, he was searching the exits to decide which one he would hustle the member out if things got any uglier.

        The other side pushed back hard, and "our" side responded by sticking w/ the utterly absurd "Gang of 6" BS while Grassley (the GOP "moderate" in that group) was talking about death panels on the stump in IA.  There's a direct line between what happened then and the predicament we face now.

        Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

        by RFK Lives on Tue Jun 26, 2012 at 09:00:26 AM PDT

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        •  I Can Forgive Him (2+ / 0-)
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          ... almost, because I'm still extremely bitter about the summer of 09 because of exactly what you describe.

          But my anger is also directed towards the people who should have been advising the president.  Isn't he supposed to be surrounded by the best and brightest political advisers updating him on the direction the winds are blowing and when it's time to take to the pulpit?  It's impossible to get inside his brain to see what was actually going on there at the time, was it fear?  Was it desperation?  Is the goal of having a public option at absolute minimum even possible at the national level?  Should the goal be scaled back to slide it in at the state level to begin the inevitable nationwide landslide?

          •  I'm not sure. (8+ / 0-)

            There's Rahm and Ezekial. Both of which are on whatever side is buttered and I completely don't like either of them. They are ruthless and selfish. Both are coarse. They have theirs, they will dictate what we get.

            One of the major reasons I voted for Obama was the objection to the mandate, Edwards and Hillary wanted it.
            The mandate was structured poorly. It has a toothless penalty that doesn't  put the mandate refusers in the system. The plan as written leaves out some 20-30 million people. It's got carve outs for ridiculous programs like Baucus' vermiculite town.

            The delays were put in to sabotage the reception of the electorate.

            They allowed different software providers to start selling the encoding process. The gov't should have done it. I know people that could have done it. The delays are killing a lot of good will and it was planned.

            There's also the ridiculous waiver BS that states can't opt out and do their own, like VT which has set back  any progress of single payer until the Republicans eviscerate the rest of it.

            There's a lot more crap in there as well.

            •  Please link a non-opinion piece for this: (0+ / 0-)
              The delays were put in to sabotage the reception of the electorate

              David Koch is fucking Longshanks, and Occupy is the real Braveheart.

              by PsychoSavannah on Tue Jun 26, 2012 at 02:19:29 PM PDT

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              •  No. (2+ / 0-)
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                It's my opinion having observed the sausage making in progress. There was no reason to have a committee comprised of 3+3 with Baucus at the head.

                If you differ, come up with your own rationale.

                I wasn't on here when the discussion was happening, I was on another board and there were quite a lot of the other side in attendance. Sometimes KOS is an echo chamber.

          •  Here are some considerations (6+ / 0-)

            off the top of my head:

            1.  our health insurance system was becoming more unsustainable every year.  The dems knew their days in office were limited.....history shows mid-term election results after a new president is elected.  Getting a foot in the door of change was going to be very hard and they knew that.

            {Personally, I would have preferred they make a law on the first day, in one bill, that basically said "you hand over 6% of your income in a healthcare tax and go see a doctor when you need to.  Doctors will be reimbursed on the Medicare scale, can not deny any patients that want to see them, and anyone can buy supplemental insurance if they want to."  But that's just me...1 in 315 million people :-) }

            2.  Unemployment was getting worse......putting out signals that you're going to eliminate the 4 million jobs in the health insurance industry by going to single payer was not going to fly at that time.  Not by Congress and most definitely not by the President.

            3.  The financial meltdown was still very active at the time.  Again, yanking the rug out from under an industry that employs about 4 million people just wasn't going to happen.  "Here's healthcare.  Sorry you don't have ajob.  Oh, and we can't extend your UI benefits".  

            Moving the country to a completely different paradigm with regard to healthcare and health insurance is not a quarterly project.  It is a long and slow, arduous process, with lots of very rich, very powerful industries in the way, and lots of attitudes in the American psyche that block the road too.

            This "ineptitude" theme I see from some of the posters around here....man, oh, man.  Myopic at best; naive for sure; destructive at worst.

            David Koch is fucking Longshanks, and Occupy is the real Braveheart.

            by PsychoSavannah on Tue Jun 26, 2012 at 12:13:08 PM PDT

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    •  Well stated. Thanks. nt (2+ / 0-)
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