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  •  This term was largely lost in 8/09 (14+ / 0-)

    I spoke to a friend who's the COS for a Dem MOC the night of a really ugly town hall.  He told me that, at one point, he was searching the exits to decide which one he would hustle the member out if things got any uglier.

    The other side pushed back hard, and "our" side responded by sticking w/ the utterly absurd "Gang of 6" BS while Grassley (the GOP "moderate" in that group) was talking about death panels on the stump in IA.  There's a direct line between what happened then and the predicament we face now.

    Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

    by RFK Lives on Tue Jun 26, 2012 at 09:00:26 AM PDT

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    •  I Can Forgive Him (2+ / 0-)
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      ... almost, because I'm still extremely bitter about the summer of 09 because of exactly what you describe.

      But my anger is also directed towards the people who should have been advising the president.  Isn't he supposed to be surrounded by the best and brightest political advisers updating him on the direction the winds are blowing and when it's time to take to the pulpit?  It's impossible to get inside his brain to see what was actually going on there at the time, was it fear?  Was it desperation?  Is the goal of having a public option at absolute minimum even possible at the national level?  Should the goal be scaled back to slide it in at the state level to begin the inevitable nationwide landslide?

      •  I'm not sure. (8+ / 0-)

        There's Rahm and Ezekial. Both of which are on whatever side is buttered and I completely don't like either of them. They are ruthless and selfish. Both are coarse. They have theirs, they will dictate what we get.

        One of the major reasons I voted for Obama was the objection to the mandate, Edwards and Hillary wanted it.
        The mandate was structured poorly. It has a toothless penalty that doesn't  put the mandate refusers in the system. The plan as written leaves out some 20-30 million people. It's got carve outs for ridiculous programs like Baucus' vermiculite town.

        The delays were put in to sabotage the reception of the electorate.

        They allowed different software providers to start selling the encoding process. The gov't should have done it. I know people that could have done it. The delays are killing a lot of good will and it was planned.

        There's also the ridiculous waiver BS that states can't opt out and do their own, like VT which has set back  any progress of single payer until the Republicans eviscerate the rest of it.

        There's a lot more crap in there as well.

        •  Please link a non-opinion piece for this: (0+ / 0-)
          The delays were put in to sabotage the reception of the electorate

          David Koch is fucking Longshanks, and Occupy is the real Braveheart.

          by PsychoSavannah on Tue Jun 26, 2012 at 02:19:29 PM PDT

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          •  No. (2+ / 0-)
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            It's my opinion having observed the sausage making in progress. There was no reason to have a committee comprised of 3+3 with Baucus at the head.

            If you differ, come up with your own rationale.

            I wasn't on here when the discussion was happening, I was on another board and there were quite a lot of the other side in attendance. Sometimes KOS is an echo chamber.

      •  Here are some considerations (6+ / 0-)

        off the top of my head:

        1.  our health insurance system was becoming more unsustainable every year.  The dems knew their days in office were limited.....history shows mid-term election results after a new president is elected.  Getting a foot in the door of change was going to be very hard and they knew that.

        {Personally, I would have preferred they make a law on the first day, in one bill, that basically said "you hand over 6% of your income in a healthcare tax and go see a doctor when you need to.  Doctors will be reimbursed on the Medicare scale, can not deny any patients that want to see them, and anyone can buy supplemental insurance if they want to."  But that's just me...1 in 315 million people :-) }

        2.  Unemployment was getting worse......putting out signals that you're going to eliminate the 4 million jobs in the health insurance industry by going to single payer was not going to fly at that time.  Not by Congress and most definitely not by the President.

        3.  The financial meltdown was still very active at the time.  Again, yanking the rug out from under an industry that employs about 4 million people just wasn't going to happen.  "Here's healthcare.  Sorry you don't have ajob.  Oh, and we can't extend your UI benefits".  

        Moving the country to a completely different paradigm with regard to healthcare and health insurance is not a quarterly project.  It is a long and slow, arduous process, with lots of very rich, very powerful industries in the way, and lots of attitudes in the American psyche that block the road too.

        This "ineptitude" theme I see from some of the posters around, oh, man.  Myopic at best; naive for sure; destructive at worst.

        David Koch is fucking Longshanks, and Occupy is the real Braveheart.

        by PsychoSavannah on Tue Jun 26, 2012 at 12:13:08 PM PDT

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