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    kickbass, Mindful Nature

    did not sell out single payer at the start of his term.

    He was never for it.  This was clear from his position in 2007.  In fact, none of the three major candidates supported it.

    The bitter truth of deep inequality has been disguised by an era of cheap imported goods and the anyone-can-make-it celebrity myth - Polly Toynbee

    by fladem on Tue Jun 26, 2012 at 10:32:53 AM PDT

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    •  Even as an opening bid? (3+ / 0-)
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      3goldens, skyounkin, jayden

      As I said, a bad negotiating strategy.  They tried to design a deal that would go through, and didn't keep any chips to trade away they didn't really want.  Obama paid lip service to the public option, but it's clear that that was traded away at the very beginning even while Obama made misleading allusions to it long after.

      Medicare for All should have been the opening bid, even if Obama wanted something less.  The man has proven over and over that he can't negotiate his way out of a paper bag.

      When Free Speech is outlawed, only outlaws will have Free Speech.

      by Dallasdoc on Tue Jun 26, 2012 at 12:12:02 PM PDT

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      •  Frankly (1+ / 0-)
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        Mindful Nature

        you know the answer.

        He didn't support it in the primaries.  How can he trade away something he didn't support in the first place?

        And as a negotiating strategy it would have been silly - I doubt there are 30 votes in the Senate for it.

        The single payer fight was lost when none of the three major candidates for the Democratic nomination supported it.  

        There were never the votes for what you wanted .

        Period.

        The bitter truth of deep inequality has been disguised by an era of cheap imported goods and the anyone-can-make-it celebrity myth - Polly Toynbee

        by fladem on Tue Jun 26, 2012 at 01:14:03 PM PDT

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        •  Is that supposed to be exculpatory? (3+ / 0-)
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          wsexson, Pescadero Bill, 3goldens

          His strategy was bad, his goal was unworkable (didn't control costs meaningfully), and he was double-crossed by his chosen partners.

          He picked his approach, which was needlessly complicated and relied on trusting the wrong people.  The fact that he wasn't for the sensible and simple solution doesn't absolve him, but only makes him look worse with the inevitable denouement.

          When Free Speech is outlawed, only outlaws will have Free Speech.

          by Dallasdoc on Tue Jun 26, 2012 at 02:13:40 PM PDT

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    •  No, but he did support and run on the (2+ / 0-)
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      Dallasdoc, fuzzyguy

      public option- and when it was time to put up or shut up- he told the progressives to shut up and took the public option off the table.

      He sold us out and he deserves what ever shit he gets from whatever the supremes hand down.

      "I'm not scared of anyone or anything, Angie. Isn't that the way life should be?" Jack Hawksmoor

      by skyounkin on Tue Jun 26, 2012 at 05:36:44 PM PDT

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