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  •  The reasons for attempting this operation... (9+ / 0-)

    ...make the "left holding the bag" fall out almost trivial.

    In isolation, it seems wrong headed. Given more back story, more palatable, conventional efforts were made and ran up against the overriding need to maintain Freedom! Liberty! for gun sales and distribution.

    When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

    by Egalitare on Wed Jun 27, 2012 at 10:39:39 AM PDT

    •  Yep. Real scandal is what GOP has kept LEGAL. (32+ / 0-)
      The Brady Campaign contends that the "Fast and Furious" program involved about 2,000 firearms crossing the border into Mexico, about 3 percent of the guns moving from U.S. gun shops to Mexico in the last four years. The center's Denis Henigan wants House Republicans, the ones chasing Eric Holder, to focus instead upon the other 97 percent of those guns. Henigan wrote:
      Two years ago, Mexican President Calderon told a Joint Session of Congress that the drug cartels in his country were exploiting weak American gun laws to amass their arsenals; indeed, he said the escalation of Mexican drug violence "coincides with the lifting of the assault weapons ban in 2004." President Calderon told the Congress of his understanding that the purpose of the Second Amendment "is to guarantee good American citizens the ability to defend themselves and their Nation." "But believe me," he added, "many of these guns are not going to honest American hands."
      Since his address, it has become even clearer that Mexican crime guns are originating in American gun shops. Last month, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives released its most recent data showing that, in the last five years, more than 68,000 crime guns were recovered in Mexico and traced back to the United States. The guns that "walked" across the border under the "Fast and Furious" operation constitute less than 3% of those guns. Where is Speaker Boehner's concern about the other 97%?

      Not only has the Republican House majority done nothing to stem the trafficking of guns to Mexico; it has acted to block the modest efforts of the Obama Administration to address the problem.

      http://www.theatlantic.com/...

      "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

      by HeyMikey on Wed Jun 27, 2012 at 10:42:40 AM PDT

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      •  Hey, if SCOTUS (1+ / 0-)
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        can stomp on Montana's rights, it can bloody well crush the crazy firearms culture in Arizona. Where someone can buy $300,000 worth of guns (496 firearms) in 6 months, when said someone is BROKE, and prosecutors decline to make a case -- yo, that state (Arizona), she is BROKEN.

        •  these aren't AZ prosecuters who failed, they were (4+ / 0-)

          Federal as the crime of "straw purchase" is a federal law and very easy to interpret and to prosecute.....

          Anyone who purchases a gun for another who can't purchase themselves being they prohibited possessors or foreign nationals is guilty of a straw purchase.....

          Straw purchasing is a Federal Felony and as the laws read, easy to deal with...

          Again, the problem devolves to Holder's DOJ failing to do their job for whatever the reason.....

          Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
          I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
          Emiliano Zapata

          by buddabelly on Wed Jun 27, 2012 at 05:18:26 PM PDT

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          •  My thought was: (4+ / 0-)

            "Who the hell do these Deputy US Attorneys work for?
            Who the hell does the BATFE work for?"

            If your answer is my answer: "Justice" then why couldn't the AG, as head of the DOJ, hop on a jet and land in Arizona?
            Once there, kick ass, take names, get a round of golf in with Rahm, before taking a flight back from Phoenix.

            Agents on page with Prosecutors, and the operation makes cases or shuts down in short order.

            That the FBI was playing on the other side of the border?

            W.
            T.
            F.

            I thought we employed the CIA for incompetencies such as this.

        •  Has nothing to do with AZ laws.... (1+ / 0-)
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          as the laws being broken are Federal laws, hence the Federal investigation and the Federal Prosecuters.  

          Please don't let your bigotry against Arizona let you buy into a false meme.

          P.S.  The laws against trafficking guns across national and international boundaries?  Federal laws.  And isn't everyone already screaming about AZ usurping Federal Law?  

          Or is it O.K. when it's for something you hate personally?

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