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  •  Catholic Bishops (28+ / 0-)

    need a year long retreat with daily -- what we referred to as dopey novices -- dayfees!!!  (auto de fe).  Repent, assholes -- confess your deepest and shallowest sins and then tell the rest of the world how you want them to fuck up their lives with your sick strictures.

    Thankfully I know hundreds like the nuns on the bus.  

    Vi er alle norske " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Thu Jun 28, 2012 at 11:28:57 AM PDT

    •  Also, too (18+ / 0-)

      They need to confess that they are just another wingnut caucus of the Republican Party.

      If the Republicans ever find out that Barack Obama favors respiration, we'll be a one-party system inside two minutes. - Alan Lewis

      by MadRuth on Thu Jun 28, 2012 at 11:52:15 AM PDT

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    •  Yup. The nuns my age--I am 62-- (30+ / 0-)

      were a bunch of aware women who grew up under Vatican II. I remember the wonderful nun who, when J2P2 (I think of him that way because it sounds like a large lumbering cruise ship)said Mass at the Shrine of the Immaculate Conception (known to us who went to school there as El Shrino or the Tattooed Tit; that is ONE ugly church) who raised the issue of female priests to the Pope's extreme displeasure.  Those nuns deal with real people very day and understand the problems of those people. Bishops live in a rarified atmosphere and only see those they want to see. It's kinda like the Romney Bubble. They're just about s clueless as the Romneybot.

      The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

      by irishwitch on Thu Jun 28, 2012 at 12:18:39 PM PDT

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      •  the Shrine in D.C.? /nt (0+ / 0-)

        We're not perfect, but they're nuts! -- Barney Frank

        by Tamar on Thu Jun 28, 2012 at 02:16:45 PM PDT

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        •  It's on the Catholic U campus. (0+ / 0-)

          My theory is it was designed by a group of architects who couldn'ta agree on the style so mangled all of the,  It's truly awful in a kitschy sort of way--my secret amusement was that the mosaic of Jesus had him giving the same Jewish blessing hand position that Nimoy stole for the Vulvan greeting.

          "Tattooed tit" came from the Byzantine dome  in bright blue with gilded stars of Davis and a center spire that looks like an erect nipple that's been gilded.

          The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

          by irishwitch on Thu Jun 28, 2012 at 03:59:14 PM PDT

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          •  Vulcan, I think you mean. Tho "Vulvan" has (0+ / 0-)

            a certain particularly relevant humor to it right now.

            I don't remember the Shrine as being ugly, but I was there as a teenager many years ago with a bunch of high school friends from our MD suburban high school, and my taste, at that time (mid 60's) ran to the ornate. with bells.
            as for Jewish blessing hand position -- huh? didn't know there was one and I've been Jewish for 60+ years (because I'm 60+ years old). What have I been missing?

            We're not perfect, but they're nuts! -- Barney Frank

            by Tamar on Thu Jun 28, 2012 at 04:49:33 PM PDT

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            •  It's not so bad if you only see it briefly (2+ / 0-)
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              But I had to look at it for 3 1/2 frigging years, and it's an unhappy blend of every style they've built churches in since the  early Middle Ages. Any time I went to class, there it was, blocking the sun (or so it seemed). One of its other nicks was "the pregnant elephant". It was actually built with a large gift shop and cafeteria in the designs.

              Yup the "Vulcan" greeting (though is T'Pau, "all of Vulcan in one package" I think "Vulvan" might work too.  One of the things I cherish from graduation was a book of caricatures of my favorite profs , my least fave Cardinal, and that mosaic (JC has pointed Vulcan ears and the idek on his robe).  Catholic school humor is VERY blasphemous; it's how we say sane.

              The Shrine didn't force me out of the church but I will admit that the money wasted on it made me think hard about contributing tot he archdiocese....What actually drove me out was the stance on the role of women, birth control, abortion and sexuality (including homosexuality). The nuns did too good a job of teaching me critical thinking skills, and I had two of the best American theologians teaching my classes--both of them now silenced.

              The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

              by irishwitch on Thu Jun 28, 2012 at 05:14:57 PM PDT

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              •  was one of them Curry? (0+ / 0-)

                We're not perfect, but they're nuts! -- Barney Frank

                by Tamar on Thu Jun 28, 2012 at 09:11:48 PM PDT

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                •  Charles Curran. (0+ / 0-)

                  The  other was Dan Maguire. And I got to attend a small mass with Hans Kung, the most brilliant mind of the 20th century--with the exception of Teilhard de Chardin.

                  The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

                  by irishwitch on Thu Jun 28, 2012 at 09:36:05 PM PDT

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                  •  Curran -- that's right. I read about how they (0+ / 0-)

                    shut him off. The church decided to exert its authority over Catholic U.  But they couldn't do that to Georgetown U.

                    We're not perfect, but they're nuts! -- Barney Frank

                    by Tamar on Thu Jun 28, 2012 at 09:38:42 PM PDT

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                    •  Well, CU was originally created to educate nuns (0+ / 0-)

                      and seminarians to teach in the Catholic school system.  We were surrounded by a dozen seminaries (one of the original songs in the annual Soph show, a book musical, said correctly, "God takes the best/We get the rest...Seminarians...") So they had major interest in making sure the professors toed the Party Line ( we will now have a chorus of Tom Leher's "Vatican Rag")

                      I ended up posing for a sculpture class at a seminary--fully clothed in leotard and tights, and a good dozen apparently nude statues were produced at both sessions I was paid to pose for.  Got adopted by one or two sems at the Franciscan seminary, and would be carried off to watch Dark Shadows and Star Trek reruns with them and have dinner.  They were fun guys.

                      The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

                      by irishwitch on Thu Jun 28, 2012 at 09:52:04 PM PDT

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          •  p.s. looked it up and since it's a special (0+ / 0-)

            thing among Orthodox Jews and only supposed to be done by Kohanim (hereditary priestly class), it's no wonder I had no idea what it was.

            We're not perfect, but they're nuts! -- Barney Frank

            by Tamar on Thu Jun 28, 2012 at 04:54:22 PM PDT

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            •  Nimoy is Jewish. (1+ / 0-)
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              And from Boston.  He mentioned it once in an interview, and I was a huge ST fan,even though I only got to see the first season originally and had to watch it mostly in re-runs .

              The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

              by irishwitch on Thu Jun 28, 2012 at 05:16:14 PM PDT

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    •  To be fair to the Bishops... (14+ / 0-)

      How can we call ourselves a Christian nation if we care for all the sick and injured!!!

      In an insane society, the sane man would appear insane

      by TampaCPA on Thu Jun 28, 2012 at 12:42:52 PM PDT

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      •  What are all these red words?!? (2+ / 0-)
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        The meek shall not inherit the Earth if the Catholic Bishops have any say in the matter, goddammit!

        --- Keep Christian mythology out of science class!

        by cybersaur on Thu Jun 28, 2012 at 01:22:42 PM PDT

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      •  Be great if the bishops reread Matthew 9:20; 14:36 (1+ / 0-)
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        and Luke 8:40-48; and Mark 5:25.  

        You may recall gospel song about the woman touching the hem of his garment and being instantly healed, although the gospel says "in that hour".  Those are the gospel stories in which we learned Jesus offered free reproductive health coverage to an unclean women via touching his robe.  For those interested in how these stories might relate to the Church, especially hypocrisy of religious leaders, read on. And I'd argue that one doesn't have to accept the supernatural elements in order to appreciate the 'liberating' aspects for women and society.  Okay, I'll do a mini-sermon on this...apologies in advance!

        The gospels go on to say that many women and men sought to touch his robe to restore their health after that woman first discovered healing could flow from having faith enough to touch his garment, and that Jesus clearly commended her for trusting God to make her whole via that touch.

        In the story, it was related that the woman had suffered from 12 years of menstrual hemorrhagic blood flow that never really stopped, and was cured by he reaching out and touching a tassle of the 'robe' of Jesus (perhaps calling this garment his prayer shawl is more accurate).  
        That 12 years of blood flow was indeed a terrible 'curse' for that woman, something that would make any contact with her greatly feared.

        The Jewish men of that time were taught that women, in the days nearing menstruation and for a few days afterwards, were 'unclean', and not to be approached or touched, and such women were really not supposed to come out from tents/shelter into public where they might risk contacting others (men) since that would make them 'unclean' for days as well.  So her touching Jesus, without his invitation to do so, ought to have made Jesus unclean, like her, but instead her being healed by her brave touch totally reversed expectations. Those interested in the narrative flow of the Bible might note that 'blood redemption' is a recurring them of 'the story', with the Hebrew people being 'purchased' by the blood of many first born lambs when God was liberating them from the Egyptian kingdom, and that God made the first clothes for Adam and Eve from animal (lamb?) skins after they 'sinned'. A key element of the Levitical priesthood's role was in presenting a pure animal as sacrifice to God whose blood purchased their continuing redemption, covering the sins of the people and making healing of associated infirmities possible.

        Jesus was already on his way to was on the way to the home of a man named Jarius where he had been asked to heal his daughter, when this woman snuck through the pressing crowds to seek his help, before he made his way to heal at the request of a good man. This impudent woman who snuck out hoping against hope to seek restoration from Jesus was then held up as an example by Jesus of what real faith is about (versus holding people, women and men, subject to 'unclean' taboos) and her healing didn't come at the expense of Jarius's daughter.

        For perhaps 1/3rd of typical life expectancy, this woman, whose name wasn't recorded, had been constrained by the convoluted purity laws of that time (which had expanded upon the Levitical proscriptions of Moses) to a solitary confinement.  Her condition was deemed as one that made her unfit and too 'unclean' to participate in human society, unfit to marry, until she was told of a possible hope for healing and restoration. So it's probably not surprising no one really knew her name.

        When Jesus welcomed her touch, and praised her for coming out of her 'Law' imposed seclusion, trusting in faith that she could be restored to health and enjoy participation in God's Kingdom of love, this is a liberation that's not just reproductive health care but also seems to offset 'the curse' imposed upon women, and especially the accumulation of man-made laws restricting women due to their reproductive organs and function. This woman clearly initiated the healing touch, not Jesus, which is another curious role-reversal to conventional thinking. She didn't sit in solitude, passively praying for it, once she knew Jesus was nearby.  And oddly, Jesus addressed the crowd to ask who the woman was, to whom the healing had flowed, and that she identify herself, at least as a rhetorical question, and in a sense ending her isolation. Now she was to be known as one of the truly faithful to Whom God responds with love.

        Clearly, if the Catholic bishops were listening to Jesus these days, they would be focused on feeding the poor, clothing the needy, healing the sick, and liberating men and women from oppressive rule, slavery and prisons, and seeking to make our world a loving, just, trusting, faithful society, welcoming of all men and women, establishing the accepting love of God as the real 'norm', courageously expanding the circle of God's love to all, rather than getting between people and God, and instead redefining, constraining and contracting the definition of God's people further under tightening bonds of dogma and crippling convoluted doctrine.  The idea of Jesus walking through the 'free market' place, with God's healing going unimpeded from him to any who would touch the hem of his garment, is radical. The only doctrine here is that one trust in God's loving power to restore and to reintegrate anyone in God's society of loving humans, and that God unconditionally responds to all pushing through whatever crowds there are standing in the way of God's healing. And so we all should work to make this sort of healing freely available, to whomever touches us for it, especially if we are claiming to be faithful followers and imitators of Jesus.

        Letting the poor and women die in misery is definitely not What Jesus Would Do. Acting in redemptive, generous Love is the fulfillment of The Law of God--in nearly every religion. Come on, bishops, get off your imagined 'seats of power' and try to keep up with the Spirit of Love walking through our public spaces, and don't trip over your long robes and lofty hats and chains of beads!  You shouldn't be wearing that expensive crap anyway if there's anyone in the world is needing clothing... unless perhaps you're bringing unconditional healing restoration to everyone with those robes.

        When life gives you wingnuts, make wingnut butter!

        by antirove on Thu Jun 28, 2012 at 02:12:21 PM PDT

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