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  •  So, should the Dems counter-propose soon? (none)
    Or should they just refuse to consider any discussion until private accounts is taken off the table?

    Basically, jump in now with a plan that works, or wait a bit longer, for Bush and the GOP to keep taking it on the chin a bit more?

    I'm leaning towards letting it freefall a bit more. But I am worried about Bush managing to obscure the facts with his inexplicable charm. He's done it before.

    "Think. It ain't illegal yet." - George Clinton

    by jbeach on Fri Apr 29, 2005 at 10:07:20 AM PDT

    •  They should refuse to consider any benefit cuts (none)
      It goes beyond privatization. Private accounts are generally unpopular, benefit cuts are universally hated. There is no need to have a plan other than to say there is no way benefits will be reduced for any americans. Social Security issues will not change in scope during the next 4 years even if you do believe there will be major problems decades down the road. Never negotiate with Bush. There are no advantages to it.
      •  Never negotiate with Bush (none)
        You have nailed it there, if the Dems are foolish enough to negotiate with this drooling idiot Bush they are finished for another 20 years.

        Bush is such a liar that any negotiation with him would definitely backfire, he can not be trusted in any way for any purpose.  

        Bush is an evil, sadistic liar.

    •  They need to react strongly to the welfare aspect. (none)
      Basically Bush is saying he wants to cut SS in two. One part is already known: a second-rate retirement program that features private accounts with no guaranteed gains.

      The other - and is this the first he's mentioned it? - is a means-based welfare program for the poor.

      You take a benefit based on productivity, i.e., work, and turn it into a benefit based on poverty, i.e., economic class, it's called welfare. Instant stigma, instant vulnerability.

      •  Good point! (none)
        Rather than something we all share in, something only poor people have to share in.

        And thus more in line with conservative belief systems, and less in line with liberal-progressive belief systems.

        And of course, as gradually corrosive to the whole spirit and purpose of Social Security, as well.

        Every aspect of this plan is sly. It's important to look at it in full, even though it is completely unacceptable...just to understand how many layers of  tactics and strategy are beneath it.

        "Think. It ain't illegal yet." - George Clinton

        by jbeach on Fri Apr 29, 2005 at 11:40:24 AM PDT

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    •  Let em squirm for a while (none)
      Long enough for the political damage to fully set in.  Rushing in with a counterproposal would only serve to let them off the hook.  Let them go down the whole line on the third rail.  Then we can pick up the pieces.

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