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  •  for your reading pleasure today (2+ / 0-)
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    one josh marshall:

    Single payer supporters do themselves a disservice by imagining that the only or even the main obstacle to single payer is the money power of the health insurance industry. That’s obviously a big obstacle. It was a huge issue in 2009. But the biggest is the simple fact that the overwhelming majority of people, especially most people who vote, have health insurance coverage. And even though most don’t like it and hate their insurance companies, in most cases, they’re easily scared off by being told they’re going to lose what they know, lose access to their doctor and get something new that they don’t know. This is a fact. Anyone who’s ever tried to run a political campaign tied to health care reform will tell you this. I’ve been shown various polls showing support for fairly self-serving descriptions of single payer that are totally divorced from how the rhetoric would actually play in the political wild.

    The claim — probably true — that most people would end up liking the other system better doesn’t make it any less of a fact. Why it ended up this way may have something to do with deep-rooted anti-statism in the American political tradition. More likely it’s tied to historical accidents described in this piece in today’s Times.

    Grounding yourself in the policy essentials is critical. And pushing for policies you believe are workable and right even if public opinion is against you and you’re looking at a long fight into the future is the bedrock of most deep political change. But there’s no honor or credit for totally deluding yourself or others about what was at all in the range of politically possible in 2009 or now.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/...

    read it in its entirety. Important points made.

    "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

    by Greg Dworkin on Sun Jul 01, 2012 at 08:59:04 AM PDT

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    •  Why is our health care... (0+ / 0-)

      ... a matter of the whims of corporate politics and "Free $peech" money lobbyists used to buy our Congre$$ Critter$...?

      Why were insurance, medical, and pharmaceutical corporations allowed to write the "possible" legislation that passed in '09?

      Our politicians were elected by We The People... not corporations.

      Saying "it wasn't possible" to pass a decent health insurance system is hiding behind the money corporations paid the Congre$$ Critter$ to vote for their profit margins..., not for the benefit of the US citizens who elected these cretins.

      It was always possible to pass something sensible.  The fact that they didn't means the vast majority of our elected officials are greedy buzzards.

      I don't accept their excuses.

      I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

      by NonnyO on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 08:16:37 AM PDT

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      •  you don't accept reality (0+ / 0-)

        sorry, but the way things are structured here dates back to WWII when wages were fixed but employers could offer bennies to attract people.

        Ever since then, we have an employer based insurance driven system which is inefficient but hellishly difficult to get rid of. It's a huge part of the American economy, represents lots of jobs, etc.

        I prefer single payer. Taiwan did it, but I and most others recognize just how diffiucult it would be to do it here, particialrly politically.

        Clearly you don't.  But it really doesn't matter what you accept or don't accept, it is still what it is.

        The solution? Long term change. Incremental change. Get used to it. there is no viable solution overnight.

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by Greg Dworkin on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 08:42:27 AM PDT

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        •  I'm old (1+ / 0-)
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          No good long-term changes will occur while I'm alive to see it happen.

          That's why I'm so impatient for something positive to be done.

          I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

          by NonnyO on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 10:20:18 AM PDT

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          •  bless your heart (1+ / 0-)
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            which is in the right place ;-)

            "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

            by Greg Dworkin on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 07:24:49 PM PDT

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