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  •  While everybody is celebrating (6+ / 0-)

    It's important to remember that the mandate was the Heritage Foundation's alternative to "Hillary care" back in the 90s. A mandate without medicare for all or at least a very strong public option is a Republican's wet dream. The only reason they are acting all apocalyptic is because they can't get past that "D" on the end of Obama's name and, I'm sorry to say, the only reason many left leaning people are celebrating the Supreme Court ruling is also because of that "D". The mandate is going to devastate a whole lot of working poor and that's not partisanship, that's arithmetic.

    "Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for a real Republican every time." Harry Truman

    by MargaretPOA on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 04:07:15 PM PDT

    •  I don't know... (0+ / 0-)

      What do you think the chances are that people that cannot afford health insurance from any source won't be helped by Uncle Sam?

      What you're saying isn't going to happen.  It's just not.  Now, there might be a whole lot of hollering and screaming about taxpayer dollars being used because of the mandate...but, there will be provisions, you can take that to the bank.

      The truth is sometimes very inconvenient.

      by commonsensically on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 04:41:44 PM PDT

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      •  You're not thinking about what you're saying. (1+ / 0-)
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        Many working poor live paycheck to paycheck. Their budgets are so tight that they have to do things like put off buying food to repair the car or delay the electric bill because the water heater started leaking all over the floor. How are they going to afford another monthly expenditure that will be a minimum of 200 bucks a month, (for a family of four say. It's more expensive than that but let's guess low), for crappy, bare bones insurance with a high deductible? And what about working families in red states whose governors will opt out of medicare expansion funds? Millions of Americans raise children on less than 30,000 a year but don't qualify for assistance. Clearly something will have to give and the ACA does not cover them. Period. 2,400 dollars a year from an earner who grosses 30,000 is eight percent of their gross earnings and we're not even addressing that what they take home is considerably less. That's a huge bite. You don't know what you're saying.

        "Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for a real Republican every time." Harry Truman

        by MargaretPOA on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 04:55:37 PM PDT

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        •  It will go on a % of poverty (0+ / 0-)

          I'm thinking about it and I believe that these folks you're talking about will be afforded credits and availability to health care through government efforts.

          Just my opinion, of course, but pretty sure that's how it's gonna work.

          The truth is sometimes very inconvenient.

          by commonsensically on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 05:46:25 PM PDT

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          •  You should actually look at the details (1+ / 0-)
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            instead of "believing".

            There's a reason there was such a knock down fight among Democrats about this bill.  There's a reason the Progressive Caucus held out so long for something better.

            It's not because they're "stupid purists".

            It's because the subsidies are no where near high enough for people between 140 and 250% of FPL.

            Thinking the "food stamp challenge" teaches you about being poor is like thinking a camping trip will give you insight into being homeless.

            by JesseCW on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 07:30:15 PM PDT

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          •  The maybe you ought to read the effing thing (0+ / 0-)

            Before you simply assume that you're right and I'm wrong. I have read it. It's past time for you and the rest of the left leaning people who support this piece of shit to get to KNOW what it says, rather than believing your own construct of what you think it might say.

            "Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for a real Republican every time." Harry Truman

            by MargaretPOA on Sun Jul 01, 2012 at 05:57:20 AM PDT

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    •  I agree with what you say - and yet... (1+ / 0-)
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      am still glad it was upheld because it would have been struck down for the wrong reasons.  And would have provided a massive boost to the ultra-right.  I got to do a couple of press interviews on Thursday and I told them, it was better upheld than overturned, but it's still not the answer to our nation's health care crisis.  

      "Wouldn't you rather vote for what you want and not get it than vote for what you don't want - and get it?" Eugene Debs. "Le courage, c'est de chercher la verite et de la dire" Jean Jaures

      by Chico David RN on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 04:46:38 PM PDT

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      •  A Pyrric victory at best (0+ / 0-)

        If I cared more about partisanship than policy, I would agree with you. The entertainment factor of right wing heads exploding was wonderful to me but that's not going to enable poor people to buy insurance. It's the people on the bottom of the ladder who work hard every day and only squeak by barring unforeseen emergencies each month that are going to suffer.

        "Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for a real Republican every time." Harry Truman

        by MargaretPOA on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 05:00:22 PM PDT

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      •  Read through the titles of the whole bill (0+ / 0-)

        rest of the ACA. Without the rest of the ACA Medicare itself would collapse. Single payer by itself won't do much to help.

        And you fools need to go to the Medicare site and read it. See also http://www.dailykos.com/...

        I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... *I'm asking you to believe in yours.* Barack Obama

        by samddobermann on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 06:52:54 PM PDT

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    •  Even "buying into Medicare"... (2+ / 0-)
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      ...was brought up by George Bush (you know, George Bush) in a debate in 1988, as a way of countering the Democratic proposal that employers be required to carry health insurance.  "Great idea", I thought.  "We'll never hear about it again."

      The '60s were simply an attempt to get the 21st Century started early....Well, what are we waiting for? There's no deadline on a dream!

      by Panurge on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 04:57:47 PM PDT

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      •  Yep. I remember (1+ / 0-)
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        As an example of how far the entire conversation in this country has shifted to the right, Daily Kos is cheering the fact that the Heritage Foundation's "health care" proposal has been upheld by SCOTUS. Crazy times indeed.

        "Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for a real Republican every time." Harry Truman

        by MargaretPOA on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 05:07:16 PM PDT

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        •  Oh, I don't mind that. (0+ / 0-)

          It's plain that holding out for something better has NOT worked, to say the very least.  Get your slice of the loaf now, and consider it the setting of a trend.  That's how you normally get to something better (unless things happen that we really wouldn't want to happen).  The conservative movement understands the value of baby steps--the Overton Window technique, if you like.  We keep thinking the world is lost if we don't get all we want NOW--and then we don't get all we want and we decide the world is lost.  What good has that attitude done us?

          The '60s were simply an attempt to get the 21st Century started early....Well, what are we waiting for? There's no deadline on a dream!

          by Panurge on Sun Jul 01, 2012 at 09:16:40 PM PDT

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