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  •  Yes, GM, re your last statement...... (5+ / 0-)
    It is a strange juxtaposition.

    The scientists see that we are all connected, not only to each other, but to everything. They do not deny our innate humanity nor ties with the greater things in the cosmos.

    When I was in my late teens I "lost my faith." A misnomer, I denounced it! Later on, after 22 years as an agnostic, I found myself rediscovering a faith in God on a purely personal level, coming from my love of nature, and awe at the amazing earth, the body, humanity, the cosmos, how things work together. Everything! I was free to see it in a totally new way from how I was taught through the church, that belief system relying on a strict Biblical creation story. And it was a beautiful, astounding system I could see, which in no way detracted from the idea of a God who perhaps stood behind all of it.

    [In fact, I think some scientists do feel that the more they know, the more they question, the more awe they feel, and realize they do not know the answer to ultimate questions of how we got here or why.]

    Yes, I share your amazement of the fact that we are all connected, everything is connected and we are all made of each other.

    "extreme concentration of income is incompatible with real democracy.... the truth is that the whole nature of our society is at stake." Paul Krugman

    by Gorette on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 01:30:36 PM PDT

    •  Exactly this. (5+ / 0-)

      For me, the most convincing argument for "god" is science. Things like evolution, mathematics, Godel's incompleteness theorem, quantum physics, the Hubble deep field are much more impressive than anything I have read in any religous text.

      There is only one planet suitable for human habitation in our solar system.

      by too many people on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 01:47:17 PM PDT

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      •  There is nothing wrong with having thoughts about (3+ / 0-)
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        frisco, too many people, Gorette

        God existing in that subatomic space, inbetween or even being a powerful spirit that guides things what have you.

        My objection is when people take what should be essentially private thoughts and private philosophies, and try to interject that into the lives of others, into the works of others that do not need the religious baggage.

        In fact the religious baggage is a hindrance to progress within a Scientific Discipline.

        If certain things are off limits, anathema as it were, for not discernible reason other than a "god" doesn't like it, then we are teaching people to eliminate avenues of thought based on unreasonable assumptions regarding a being or consciousness that cannot be proven exists.

        Why limit yourself or your work for something so ridiculous?

        Imagine if we refused study the physiology of heterosexuals and GLBT individuals simply because of the ridiculous hangups about sex, and most especially "alternative" sexuality.

        Imagine if we refused to study women's reproductive cycles or organs, because the Bible said that menstrual cycles or the vagina is unclean?

        Imagine if we kept the ban on using cadavers to teach doctors and scientists how the body works because of the belief that the body must be whole and ready for the resurrection?

        All the things that we would have failed to learned, entire technologies never realized, advancements in medicine and science never made, because of arbitrary decrees by holy-talking-heads.

        And what is forbidden would have been entirely suspect due to institutionalized biases and phobias with no logical reason, no discernible danger for person asking the questions or conducting the studies.

        Here There Be Dragons! Perhaps we should have that embroidered on our panties from now on, to remind us how ignorance can be cultivated by a hate so old, no one even knows for sure why it began.

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