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  •  yes, and yet (0+ / 0-)

    the model of everyone graduating high school and going straight to college is not that great of a model to start with.  Instead of finding ways to better fit students into that model, we should be looking for better ways to accommodate non-traditional students who don't fit that model.

    all morals are relative, but some are more relative than others.

    by happymisanthropy on Sun Jul 01, 2012 at 08:15:46 PM PDT

    •  And who decides happy? (1+ / 0-)
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      Who decides who goes on which track? The kids? Expect a 14 year old to decide what they want their next 40 years to look like when we don't even trust them to drive?

      For the poor there will be plenty of pressure for them to choose the vocational track. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, but our leaders, generally, come from a more professional track. Our decision makers don't come from vocational tracks.

      So who gets to decide where we sort our students and when? I guarantee you. Absolutely guarantee you, that if we tracked students, vocational schools would be in the urban core, and they would be poor, and brown. There might be one college track school in the urban core. Maybe.

      Meanwhile, we would continue to give kids in the suburbs the best education, teach them to think. Teach them to reason. teach them to lead.

      Not everyone needs to or should go to college, but it should be their choice. You are talking about taking away choices in the guise of opportunities. You wanna start tracking kids at 13, 14 whatever then we have given up the ideal of an egalitarian society.

      We give up on the broad based, liberal arts education and we will have an even more ingrained social stratification than we have now!

      •  where did I say age 14? I didn't. (0+ / 0-)

        Please don't put words in my mouth, it makes conversation impossible.

        Consider that possibly the exclusion of graduates of good but non-Ivy universities from leadership is a big problem too.  The solution is not to send different people to Ivy Leagues, but to break the Ivy League hegemony itself.

        Every student should get a good high school education which should include critical thinking, arts, and vocational type classes.

        all morals are relative, but some are more relative than others.

        by happymisanthropy on Sun Jul 01, 2012 at 08:46:13 PM PDT

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        •  Sorry (0+ / 0-)

          I have just heard too often the word "accommodate" students as a euphemism for something "less than". I believe every student has a right to a broad based, liberal arts education that prepares them to make whatever choice they want whether it be vocational, apprenticeship, university, college, or straight into the world of work.

          I apologize for misinterpreting what you were saying.

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