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  •  we are talking about the stimulus (0+ / 0-)

    when it was time to vote for the stimulus the Democrats had the majority needed to pass a bill without any Republican support.

    As a nation, the U.S. consumes the most hot dogs per capita. So you'd be wise to never underestimate our powers of denial.

    by jbou on Sun Jul 01, 2012 at 08:47:57 PM PDT

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    •  They still needed 60 for cloture (8+ / 0-)

      And didnt have it, without GOP support.

    •  wrong jbou, there were 60 in the Dem caucus (21+ / 0-)

      for 14 weeks only

      When everyone was finally sworn in there were 58 Democrats and 2 independents in the Senate Democratic caucus -- one of those was Joe Lieberman who campaigned for McCain and tried to gum things up as much as he could.  There was also a Blue Dog caucus in the Senate blocking and dragging their feet.  That's reality.  

      From Kevin Drum at Mother Jones:

      About that Filibuster Proof Majority

      Well, let's at least get our history straight. Until Al Franken was sworn in on July 7, the Democratic caucus in the Senate stood at 59. After that it was technically up to 60, but Ted Kennedy hadn't cast a vote in months and was housebound due to illness. He died a few weeks later and was replaced by Paul Kirk on September 24, finally bringing the Democratic majority up to 60 in practice as well as theory. After that the Senate was in session for 11 weeks before taking its winter recess, followed by three weeks until Scott Brown won Kennedy's seat in the Massachusetts special election.

      So that means Democrats had an effective filibuster-proof majority for about 14 weeks.

      A lost battle is a battle one thinks one has lost. ~ Jean-Paul Sartre

      by ParkRanger on Sun Jul 01, 2012 at 09:02:23 PM PDT

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      •  Thank God one person has this straight (7+ / 0-)

        All I'd add is that the 58 Democrats included some very iffy characters.  Need I name names?  Ben Nelson, Robert Byrd, Max Baucus come to mind.  I'm sure there are more.

        "Those who deny freedom to others, deserve it not for themselves." - Abraham Lincoln

        by leftreborn on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 02:36:30 AM PDT

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        •  I'm in Indiana and our Dem senator then, Evan (0+ / 0-)

          Bayh formed the Blue Dogs in the Senate.  I don't remember their role in dragging their heels on the stimulus, but they did on other legislation.

          Well, and although Lieberman is an Independent in the Dem caucus he caused a lot of problems in getting legislation passed.

          It's amazing this still comes up as an issue with the stimulus as if President Obama didn't have to deal with reality at all.

          A lost battle is a battle one thinks one has lost. ~ Jean-Paul Sartre

          by ParkRanger on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 10:24:12 AM PDT

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    •  Yeah, (9+ / 0-)

      The claim that Obama has "caved" too much is a myth. Most of his "bipartisanship" has been for rhetorical/political purposes. What it was really about was getting just one or two Republicans, like Joe Lieberman or Olympia Snowe, to vote key bills. People often cite the infamous debt ceiling deal as their example, but when one examines the details, it's clear that Boehner didn't really get "98%" of what he wanted.

      Republicans are far more socialist than Democrats. Just because they want to redistribute the wealth upwards does not make it any better.

      by MrAnon on Sun Jul 01, 2012 at 09:11:49 PM PDT

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      •  Truth (4+ / 0-)
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        What it was really about was getting just one or two Republicans, like Joe Lieberman or Olympia Snowe, to vote key bills.

        The choice of our lifetime: Mitt Romney, It Takes A Pillage or President Barack Obama, Forward Together.

        by FiredUpInCA on Sun Jul 01, 2012 at 09:54:05 PM PDT

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        •  Exactly (2+ / 0-)
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          When you endorse John McCain, you are a Republican, not a Democrat. And yes, this means that from 2007-2008 the Republicans had the Senate majority. So much for "the Democrats caused this mess because they had both Houses of Congress during the recession".

          Republicans are far more socialist than Democrats. Just because they want to redistribute the wealth upwards does not make it any better.

          by MrAnon on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 07:39:22 AM PDT

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