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  •  Usually, no matter how serious the crime (12+ / 0-)

    or allegation, under our Constitution, Americans get a public trial by a jury of their peers before being condemned. Since when have we reversed the usual presumption of innocent until proven guilty.

    My book, TRAITOR: THE WHISTLEBLOWER & THE "AMERICAN TALIBAN," is Amazon's #1 Best Seller in Human Rights Books for February 2012.

    by Jesselyn Radack on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 07:01:48 AM PDT

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    •  If they are in the U.S., sure (1+ / 0-)
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      But plotting in Yemen is akin to being on the battlefield. Surely as a lawyer you know that.

      I ♥ President Barack Obama.

      by ericlewis0 on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 07:05:42 AM PDT

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      •  What battlefield? (2+ / 0-)
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        As far as I know, Yemenis, in the main, are simply battling their own military, which runs their government.

        I have a hard time imagining the people - even the militias - of one of the poorest nations on the planet - would give a crap about us if we weren't killing them on behalf of said military government.

    •  US citizens have been killed before (0+ / 0-)

      In wartime. Take WWII, for example. Or the Civil War. This is a more unconventional war, as hostiles are not in direct combat, but Al-Awlaki was still at war with the United States. The real issue here is not civil liberties, but indefinite war.

      Republicans are far more socialist than Democrats. Just because they want to redistribute the wealth upwards does not make it any better.

      by MrAnon on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 09:23:12 AM PDT

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      •  Endless war is certainly an issue (1+ / 0-)
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        but to me the biggest issue is that the Obama administration and an alarming number of congrespersons have decided that the executive branch has the right to be judge, jury and executioner. They reserve the right to kill anyone (yes even ericlewis0) who is outside of the US and who they say is plotting against the US. They do not have to prove that the person is plotting against the US. They merely have to "find" that the person is plotting against the US.

        Is this right reciprocal? The US is certainly guilty of having plotted to kill Pakistani citizens. Does Pakistan have the right to engage in targeted assassinations of US citizens they deem to be terrorists?

        Although the US still embraces rule of law in rhetoric, is it now only applied when it is convenient?

        I'm truly sorry Man's dominion Has broken Nature's social union--Robert Burns

        by Eric Blair on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 10:58:37 AM PDT

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        •  Again (0+ / 0-)

          Targetted "extrajudicial" killings are a part of war. In fact, the killing being extrajudicial is what makes it war. The reason is because when you are outside of the United States, you are outside of US law enforcement jurisdiction. This is not a change is the rules of war - in fact, Geneva Law makes no distinction between what country you are a citizen in. In other words the problem is not civil liberties being breached, but war being indefinite to the point where these extraordinary powers that come with war become the norm.

          Republicans are far more socialist than Democrats. Just because they want to redistribute the wealth upwards does not make it any better.

          by MrAnon on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 11:29:07 AM PDT

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