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  •  Catholics make me sick. (2+ / 1-)
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    Anak

    Well, not the ones who left the Church after it got busted for running the biggest kiddie rapist ring in the world.

    Just the ones who stayed with it.

    •  anti-Catholic bigots make me sick (2+ / 0-)
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      Well, not the one's who direct their anger at pedophiles and those who protected them.

      Just the ones who presume to understand the motives of Catholics who remain in the church and who condemn all such Catholics with a broad brush.

      •  If you mean the ones that continue (5+ / 0-)

        to fund an organization that has an ongoing role in covering up the abuse, sexual and otherwise, of children, and continue to fund it voluntarily, then they most certainly are morally culpable.  I don't blame the folks who go to Catholic mass because they think they will go to hell if they don't.  I blame the ones who fund a corrupt church.  And more so, far, far more so, I blame the church hierarchy.

        There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

        by AoT on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 10:32:55 AM PDT

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        •  more reasonable, I suppose (1+ / 0-)
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          Anak

          First, Laffy, I apologize for coming across as angry and flippant. I reacted in anger to a comment I unfairly took as a direct attack (I am an atheist but my family and my wife's are devout Catholics). I shouldn't have done that.

          But I am sure you and AoT recognize that the Church funds all kinds of worthwhile activities with the moneys derived from the contributions of the faithful.

          For instance, here in Detroit the Archdiocese is one the largest and most effective sources of support for the most vulnerable in times of crisis. Food for the hungry. Heating assistance for the cold. Clothing for those who need it. Emergency funds for medicine. Shelters for the homeless.

          The hierarchy must be held to account and there has been too little of that in my view. You are also fair, I think, in suggesting the laity bear some responsibility for holding their own church to account. But I think you also realize church funds and resources are not exclusively used to cover up the abuse.

      •  The Church has become a political organization (1+ / 0-)
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        Catholics are now instructed endlessly from the pulpit that voting Republican is an article of faith. There is absolutely no question about the political drive of the Church, and since it lacks foundation in Christian ideals, the reasons for this particular indoctrination are surly suspect.

        Devout Catholics of conscience today struggle with their commitment to the institution. Many have abandoned it, or continue with the ritual absently. The Catholic Church has assumed the hate fill philosophy of the right wing. There are Catholics who believe the foundation of Christianity is Infinite Forgiveness, not Endless Judgment. Those people are entirely fucked as they retain a commitment to Catholicism.

    •  Pedophiles assume positions of trust (0+ / 0-)

      so that they can prey on their victims. The Catholic Church was despicable, but no different from Penn State. The distinction is the scale of the institution, that's all. There are cover-ups in every institution that confronts the issue, from the Hasidic community to independent backwater Fundy churches all over the country.

      Institutions protect their own.

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