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  •  Catholicism is political and has been since (12+ / 0-)

    Constantine. The Catholic church believes religious freedom is bad because "error has no right". The Catholic church believes that taxpayers should fully fund roman catholic schools and ban all others. The catholic church believes freedom is speech is harmful and you should not be able to criticize your political leadership. They believe in a state religion as long as it is Roman Catholicism.

    Here in the United States they accommodate themselves to the realities of life in a multicultural society. But if they got the chance the would ban Protestantism in a heartbeat. In their perfect world only catholicism would be allowed. And elected officials would submit themselves to church authority. I am a former catholic who is now an agnostic. I am not hostile to religion even Roman Catholicism. But if you want to know how Catholic leaders really feel when they are in a position to do things their way just look at the modern history of the Republic of Ireland. The Catholic church stopped a program in 1948 that was mean to provide health care to mothers and children because it was seen as interfering with the role of the church to give advice to families.

    •  YucatanMan and kmackle know what happens in (4+ / 0-)
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      countries where the Catholic Church has great influence and power and should be read by Americans, especially Republicans, who think that theocracy is a desirable form of government.

      •  Thank you for that kind comment (6+ / 0-)

        I remember my mother and father telling me stories about how stifling the church was on daily life in Ireland. At the dances the priest patrolling the outside of the hall looking for young people kissing. The corporal punishment handed out by school teachers. The condemnation and humiliation of the poor. And to then as an adult find out about the horrors of the Magdalena schools and the interference of bishops in Irish politics. The interference in referendums on divorce. The condemnation of Irish TV host Gay Burne when, on late night TV he showed the Irish nation what a condom was and how to use it. And the continued arrogance of the top cardinal in Ireland Sean O'Brady and his refusal to resign despite being in over his head in a number of child abuse cases where he personally assisted in the cover-up.

        •  The church was a vital part of the corraling of (5+ / 0-)
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          the Mayan people in Yucatan, herding them into disease spreading "reductions" (villages) and greatly contributing to the 90% loss of population after the Spanish invasion.  

          The Inquisition came to the Yucatan as well and resulted in the wholesale destruction of every Mayan codice (book or scroll) that the friars could put their hands upon, along with the torture, crippling and murder of thousands upon thousands.  With the priests forbidden to draw blood or break skin, they devised horrific bone-breaking, socket-popping, muscle-tearing tortures that left victims to starve since they couldn't even feed themselves afterwards.

          The carnage was so great that local Conquistadores complained to the king that the Church was reducing the number of slaves available to work.  Go figure.

          The last of the revolutions was a peasant rebellion against the church and it's role in subjugating native peoples for nearly 4 centuries.

          As recent actions have shown, the church is ready and willing to stomp down kindness and charity whenever possible (censure of the American nuns' org, persecution of the indigenous priests who meld Catholic rite with historic ritual, etc).   Anything that brings comfort to the poor is strictly eschewed by the male hierarchy.

          Ratzinger was head, after all, of the Office of the Inquisition (no lie).  The irony is that he's not as popular as the pope who knew about, and made deals regarding, the murder of a pope and his political ambitions for various nations.  

          It wasn't so much that JPII wanted to bring Christianity to Communist nations, but that he wanted to bring Catholicism to conservative peoples to refill the organization's fundraising abilities and need for warm bodies. (IMHO)

          "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

          by YucatanMan on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 03:22:10 PM PDT

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