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  •  Or just that the fact he didn't (4+ / 0-)

    put a label on himself is evidence we've moved to a the promised post-gay land where we're free of labels! Yay!

    You know, like when we elect Barack Obama we moved to a post-racial society!

    (In fact we don't know why he didn't label himself. Is also possible he was afraid of push back if he was "too explicit" in his declaration? We don't know.)

    Clearly falls somewhere higher than a Kinsey Zero.

    "When I think of all the harm the Bible has done, I despair of ever writing anything to equal it." ~ Oscar Wilde

    by Scott Wooledge on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 09:42:55 AM PDT

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    •  Exactly. (2+ / 0-)
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      The downside of this Kumbaya love-conquers-all, post-label fantasy is the flipside argument. You know opponents of gay equality and rights will quickly point out, "See, without the restraints of labels, you could fall in love with the opposite sex if only you would open your heart to it."

      I can cheer Ocean professing he has loved another man, but did he transcend labels or merely avoid them? I agree with you. As honest as his letter is, much is missing. We don't know yet. To claim some new age of post-label enlightenment is premature.  

      •  I've mostly stayed out of this set of threads (5+ / 0-)

        because the conversation's drifting a bit, but I did want to add on to what you're saying here:

        I don't go as far as Bensdad in thinking this is a harbinger of some post-sexual era, or anything like that.  I do think, though, that the nature and content of Ocean's letter is getting people to talk about issues of identity, sexuality, and love a bit more broadly than if he'd said "I'm gay" - and for an industry where the 'ick' factor has been especially strong, it may more constructive for people to be wrestling with the immediacy of these issues rather than the labels themselves.  Like I said in the diary, people had to face his the same-sex love itself, and his vulnerability and hurt, and it paid off in the immediate flurry of reactions.

        Sure, there's no doubt people who are in denial about the whole thing are going to look for whatever loophole they can to justify it (including, disappointingly, Ocean's producer on Channel Orange).  And a lot of internet commenters have reverted to "he's gay", regardless.  But I think that's a risk worth taking, because the payoff has been so much deeper than it otherwise might have been.  

        So I'm still very supportive of the route that this has taken.  It's a milestone either way.

        Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

        by pico on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 02:33:50 PM PDT

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