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  •  What a sad view of gay culture (3+ / 0-)
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    I think you revealed more about yourself than you perhaps intended when you wrote this:

    I hate disco, love quiet old-school jazz and the Rolling Stones and progressive ukulele music. Not much for show tunes.
    So that's what gay culture is to you?  Disco and show tunes?  Did it not occur to you that gay culture also includes Tennessee Williams' plays, Truman Capote's short stories, Susan Sontag's essays and novels, Leonard Bernstein's music, and Alan Ginsberg's poetry?  That you choose to characterize "gay culture" using stereotypes common in our heterosexist society shows you don't really know very much about real gay culture.  It also suggests to me that you may have some unresolved internalized homophobia, particularly as you profess to be homosexual only when you're in bed.

    I think you ought to wake up and expand your horizons a bit.  There's a vast ocean of gay culture out there waiting to be discovered.  Despite what you may think, we don't all love disco and show tunes, and those are far from being the sum total of our cultural contributions.  

    "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

    by FogCityJohn on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 01:14:08 PM PDT

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    •  It is important to distinguish..... (1+ / 0-)
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      ....between being culturally "gay" and homosexual expression. That was my point, made broadly through a stereotypical description of gay culture that doesn't seek to diminish it, but just to use a shorthand so we can talk here. There is no question that gay culture is much broader than my tossed off statement. My point remains, homosexual conduct is one thing; being "gay" is another.

      This performer has expressed a gay sensibility without saying "I am gay". I love that.

      And I applaud all those who loudly said "I am gay" that opened the door for him to express this in a more subtle way.  This is progress. I am not going to ask him for his papers.

      •  I see . . . (1+ / 0-)
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        So you used an admittedly stereotypical description of gay culture but claim that said stereotypical description doesn't seek to diminish gay culture, even though it reduces gay culture to disco and show tunes.  And all of this is just "shorthand so we can talk here."

        Funny, after reading your "shorthand," I don't think you're someone with whom I can carry on any kind of worthwhile discussion of gay culture or of what it means to be gay.

        So I think maybe I should end this here.

        "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

        by FogCityJohn on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 04:43:42 PM PDT

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    •  A look at the calendar today (2+ / 0-)
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      at NYC's Gay Community Center (probably a good barometer of the Gay Community's interests, you think?) shows
      *Toasting seminar to learn public speaking
      *Book discussion
      *Spiritual group
      *Ice cream social
      *Life coaching
      *Queer Buddhists
      *Seminar on the life of Harry Hay
      *Seminar on planning for parenthood (women)
      *Seminar on planning for parenthood (men)
      *Square Dancing

      I hope people don't let the "gay" label isolate themselves away from the many opportunities participating in the gay community can open up.

      "When I think of all the harm the Bible has done, I despair of ever writing anything to equal it." ~ Oscar Wilde

      by Scott Wooledge on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 02:55:42 PM PDT

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