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  •  Not Hopeless at All (0+ / 0-)

    In fact, making people do things is essential for almost every function of society. This can be beneficial, benign or pernicious. We live all live inside coercive power relations of various sorts. Without them, we would be savages. Or, more likely, we'd simply generate new ones.

    Just for fun, this diarist and other commenters might want to read this book:

    http://www.amazon.com/...

    I'm sure hannah has already read it and has a rebuttal ready. :)

    "I'll believe that corporations are people when I see Rick Perry execute one."

    by bink on Sat Jul 14, 2012 at 10:54:56 AM PDT

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    •  IMO... making people do things... (4+ / 0-)
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      Is the outmoded conventional wisdom of our culture, as we move away from kings, tyrants and authoritarian governance towards republics, democracy and egalitarian governance.

      Other than in legit times of "martial law", I see control as mostly pernicious, limiting human development, particularly at this point in time in our species' history.

      Cooper Zale Los Angeles http://www.leftyparent.com

      by leftyparent on Sat Jul 14, 2012 at 11:29:32 AM PDT

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      •  I Gathered This from Your Post (0+ / 0-)

        Please understand that my comments here are not intended as an indictment of your viewpoint.

        Control is indeed the right word. Michel Foucault referred to industrial societies as "Societies of Control" in fact because of the way they disciplined human behavior using surveillance and other control mechanisms. The manifest product of societies of control are institutions. It does not surprise me that you ended up rejecting conventional public schools for your child, given what you have said here about control.

        The philosopher Deleuze believed that we were exiting this period of human history:

        http://www.n5m.org/...

        We might indeed be doing so.

        But I'm not sure that what we are about to discover, as we set fire to our institutions, is an altogether better world.

        "I'll believe that corporations are people when I see Rick Perry execute one."

        by bink on Sat Jul 14, 2012 at 11:36:46 AM PDT

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        •  Who knows what will happen next... (3+ / 0-)
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          in the development of your species.  But in my mind our path forward is to move away from hierarchy towards a "circle of equals".  There may well be a lot of bumps in the road in that process including two steps backward.  But I'm at least convinced that we will eventually take those three steps forward.

          19th century America, as you say, was all about a society of control, in the work world and in the "reforming" institutions, including compulsory schooling, that grew out of that industrial OSFA model.  Like Henry Ford said...

          People can have the Model T in any color – so long as it’s black.

          Cooper Zale Los Angeles http://www.leftyparent.com

          by leftyparent on Sat Jul 14, 2012 at 11:51:45 AM PDT

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