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  •  Never said that sexism and racism do not exist. (1+ / 0-)
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    Do you honestly think that a woman, like me, who was one of the first ever members of our Local IUOE doesn't know about the racism and sexism of white working class men?

    That racism and sexism will not be overcome by bashing white working class men, but only by constantly preaching Class Unity and Solidarity. Calling them "privileged" only alienates them more from their own class.

    Privileged is the Boss who gets the cream while we fight over the skimmed milk.

    WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For May: Martyrs of the San Diego Free Speech Fight, Spring 1912.

    by JayRaye on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 01:59:59 PM PDT

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    •  Did I say I called him names, (3+ / 0-)
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      or ranted at him about male white privilege?  Did I call him a name in this diary?

      But to assume that you are going to reach this kind of person wth talk of class unity and solidarity, that is the kind of thinking that I see as a problem.   Down here, they are taught to hate unions as much as women and people of color.  As long as right to work rules means they can hurt women and people of color, use subtle ways to enforce white male dominance in the work place (and another reason they hate government, it is one of the few places women and people of color get jobs in rural areas) there will be no unions, no solidarity, and not much reasoning.

      I don't see this person often, I rarely interact with him,  I sure don't argue politics with him.  But there are lots of 'him' out there.   And I refuse to sugar coat how unreachable they are and how deep the hate goes.

      •  I now live in Texas. (1+ / 0-)
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        And I do lecture white men about Class Unity. When you work with people over the years, they do begin to listen.

        Not something that happens over night.

        I am very well aware of how deep the hate goes. Doesn't mean we should give up trying to reach them.

        And not that much better in MN when I was an IUOE member, '77-'84, I was surrounded every single working day for 7 long years, only woman on the job, except for one week of that 7 years. I certainly know the difficulties in confronting racism and sexism, but chip, chip, chip away and progress comes.

        The younger generation is much better.

        WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For May: Martyrs of the San Diego Free Speech Fight, Spring 1912.

        by JayRaye on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 02:18:13 PM PDT

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        •  I don't work with this guy (2+ / 0-)
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          so he is't someone I am around much to work on.  I don't think that you have to give up overall, just don't bother with some folks. And don't try to fool anyone that but for the name calling and cultural elitism of the progressives, these folks would be into solidarity.

          Plenty of folks are open to the message, but the loyal 27%, the died in the wool red staters of the south,  their kids are flying battle flags off their trucks and jeeps and shaving their heads.

          And they aren't just in the south,   I have a cousin who worked 30 years in a northern car plant, he's as racist and full of hate as anyone. Or my brother who has education and advantages, lives up north and is as backwards as they come.  

          •  Here, I have to agree with you. (1+ / 0-)
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            Some are unreachable, have some of those haters in my family also. Would not allow them around my children.

            That's how bad they are.

            If you'll read my diary, you'll see that I don't let the white working class off the hook for their racism and their sexism. They are responsible for their part. They choose to swallow the BS that the Ruling Class is dishing out.

            The progressives are responsible for their part, ie snotty attitudes towards poor white people.

            And a deeply pro-union person, like me, is responsible for her part: preaching Class-Unity & SOLIDARITY until the day that I die.

            WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For May: Martyrs of the San Diego Free Speech Fight, Spring 1912.

            by JayRaye on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 02:57:57 PM PDT

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            •  Back to the key theme of the diary (1+ / 0-)
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              There's a lot of idle anti-working-class snottiness that crops up in what I expect to be discussions among "progressives." I was astounded by it recently in a (non-DKos) thread about the Wisconsin recall election: what came up was a whole lot of bile about unions, the working class, etc.

              Like a lot of others on this thread, I have my backward cousins who spout racist claptrap and identify themselves as the essence of America while denying respect to their working-class brothers and sisters. Like JayRaye, I try to choose my moments and combat it when I can--though not expecting any great changes anytime soon. (A good thing to remember: Everyone can change, but some people die first.)

              I'll also have to say, that although I grew up poor in the rural Midwest (it would have been on the wrong side of the tracks if the tracks hadn't been torn out), as a white male I had advantages that I would not have had as, say, an African American or Native American or Latino.

              I'll recommend a great recently published book here: Hillbilly Nationalists, Urban Race Rebels, and Black Power, by Amy Sonnie and James Tracy. Have Black Panthers and poor whites with confederate battle flags on their jackets ever worked together? Yes, they have; and this book tells that story.

              •  now there's a book I gotta get, thx. (1+ / 0-)
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                Also in the '30s, poor folks of all races worked together in the Southern Tenants Farm Union. (I think that is the name of the book.) It is a GREAT book.

                WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For May: Martyrs of the San Diego Free Speech Fight, Spring 1912.

                by JayRaye on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 04:16:51 PM PDT

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