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  •  You run the risk (1+ / 0-)
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    of anthropomorphizing other animal species by instilling the beliefs and intelligences of humans on them.

    There is an entire religious belief system built on the possibility that certain animals are the reincarnation of their ancestors.

    Should I assume that a Brahma bull is anything but a cow because I might not understand it?

    Your argument is purely philosophical rather than scientific - though I will admit that you could throw the same charge at me.

    Power-Worshipping Fascist

    by campionrules on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 09:42:31 AM PDT

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    •  both philosophical, but here's the difference (4+ / 0-)

      tenet A:  they should have rights

      tenet B:  they shouldn't

      since one viewpoint fosters whale protections, it is the clear winner.  since they're both philosophical and all.

      Die with your boots on. If you're gonna try, well stick around. Gonna cry? Just move along. The truth of all predictions is always in your hands. - Iron Maiden

      by Cedwyn on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 10:42:43 AM PDT

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    •  You run the risk (3+ / 0-)
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      ...of thinking non-humans must be non-sentient.

      Your logic says it's worse to give non-humans "sentient protection" than to consider if they are sentient at all.

      That is human arrogance at its best.  That kind of thinking has led to massive amounts of human violence that we now regret.

      Do you want that on your conscience?

      We're living in world fascism, but coming up to world socialism. But it doesn't happen without a fight.

      by Deadicated Marxist on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 12:22:43 PM PDT

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    •  Actually, Campion (2+ / 0-)
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      I am a zoologist, environmental scientist, and chemist. I feel comfortable arguing this with you from a scientific viewpoint, but don't feel the necessity to actually do so to any significant extent. All indications are that the cetaceans are highly intelligent, even if we can't understand them or their particular "type" of intelligence.

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