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  •  I wonder what Rove thinks about this (6+ / 0-)

    as it's a classically Rovean tactic - focus on something about your opponent that's supposed to be a strength and turn it into a weakness. With Kerry it was his vietnam vet status; now with Romney it's his business expertise.

    I have to say I'm not a huge fan of negative advertising, preferring contests that play more by the Queensberry rules. Still, if it's going to happen at least let it be our side that's better at it. Unusual for Democrats, frankly.

    •  Just desserts for what they did in 2004 to us... (10+ / 0-)

      What's good for the goose is good for the gander.  It is classic Rovian, and I love that we are doing it.  They deserve some of their own medicine.


      by LordMike on Tue Jul 10, 2012 at 05:49:18 AM PDT

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    •  I think the great myth of 2004 was... (2+ / 0-)
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      ...that the Swift Boat ads hurt Kerry, that they were the key.

      I saw something, I think on ABC's blog The Note, just this morning repeating that tripe.

      I know even Kerry's own campaign manager, Mary Beth Cahill, after Kerry's defeat cited the Swift Boat attacks as the killer.

      I think she was very wrong.

      I recently watched a few Bush '04 ads attacking Kerry, and they were far more devastating than what the Swift Boaters did.  And those Bush '04 ads didn't attack Kerry's military service, they attacked his national security record as a Senator.

      Oh, and Rove didn't conceive of the Swift Boat attacks, those were by an independent wingnut group.

      What Obama is doing is "Rovian" for sure, but not in the sense of "attacking the opponent's strength."  Rather, both Obama now and Rove then exploited the opponent's weakness.  And Kerry, as a Massachusetts liberal with a liberal Senate voting record except for his lone vote in favor of the Iraq War, was easily exploited as "weak on national security" based simply on the longtime public perception toward Democrats as being just that.  Kerry tried to use his war record to insulate him from that, but it proved irrelevant to voters because, as has been proven for a long time, voters disregard military service virtually altogether.

      44, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and 2 boys, Democrat, VA-10

      by DCCyclone on Tue Jul 10, 2012 at 07:00:40 AM PDT

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      •  I'd hate to say this (3+ / 0-)
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        But Kerry defeated Kerry in '04. He just wasn't that good a candidate. As a result, Indie voters didn't see a good enough reason to change from the devil they already knew.

        •  I Didn't Think He Did Much Wrong.... (1+ / 0-)
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          His idiotic "I'm John Kerry reporting for duty" posture at the convention speech was the only real mistake he made.  He was a light years better candidate than Gore four years earlier.

          •  I agree that (1+ / 0-)
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            he really didn't do that much wrong, but that is not enough. I think he just didn't come off as all that likeable, and sort of stiff.  Let's face it, the knuckleheads that ultimately seem to end up deciding elections in this country are mostly basing their vote on that sort of factor.

          •  His hands were tied by uncontrollables (3+ / 0-)
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            The big thing Kerry lacked was money.  His campaign was near-broke at one point after he wrapped up the nomination.  That's why he went dark on TV for awhile.  None of this was his fault, he just didn't have an organic following to be able to raise a lot of money, and as a Democrat he belongs to a party that doesn't have nearly as many rich supporters as the Republicans do.

            Perhaps he made a mistake accepting public financing for the general and could've done better on his own, but that's very speculative.

            I do think the hyper-focus on trying to insulate himself from "weak on national security" by touting his military record was a mistake, not because of Swift Boaters but because voters had long established they don't care about military service in picking a President.  If anything, Kerry's big messaging strategy mistake was in failing to explain how he would keep America safe that was different from Bush, and also explaining more clearly what he would do in Iraq (to this day I don't remember what he said other than to slam Bush).

            44, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and 2 boys, Democrat, VA-10

            by DCCyclone on Tue Jul 10, 2012 at 09:39:42 AM PDT

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