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  •  Clear to Me. (10+ / 0-)

    Rachel Maddow got it right when she said Romney planned the booing.  The proof is in what he did afterwards - he immediately went to a "rich elite" fundraiser and drew attention to it.  

    As for pissing of the NAACP?  That doesn't cost Mitt Romney a SINGLE vote.  Not one.  But it does boost his standing with the base he needs to turn out on election days.  And Romney's base is soft on him.  Even Republicans, according to recent polling, thing Obama's a winner.  If you think the other guy is going to win - why waste your time voting.  

    This election comes down to who can get their base out.  Obama has been demonstrating that with he new stance on gay marriage, his tax cut proposal, and his "Dream Act Lite" proposal.  He's serving up red meat every three weeks or so.  Romney's got to do the same and this is what he perceives will work.  

    No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. - Edward R. Murrow

    by CrazyHorse on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:00:30 AM PDT

    •  you misunderstand (10+ / 0-)

      sure, he planned it but no, it is not good politics. His base isn't going to love him more. And yes, he loses suburban and moderate votes. Obama's slight lead is partially based on college- educated whites and your assertion he doesn't lose  a single vote is just wrong.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:05:42 AM PDT

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      •  No, I don't think it is wrong. (6+ / 0-)

        "Just wrong"?  No I really don't think so.  

        Your assertion assumes that college-educated whites are somehow immune to the same race-baiting language as the uneducated poor.  That's simply not true.  College-educated whites have to have a reason to cling to Mitt Romney and I can assure you that they are just as likely to be attached to him for his whiteness as anything else.  The suburbs are filled with educated people who live in the burbs as a result of "white flight."  If such people are offended by GOP race-baiting they're probably already in the Obama column in the first place.  And there they will stay.  Romney didn't lose them because he never had them.    

        Further, the racial coding of this event isn't going to resonate with everyone who supports Romney.  A lot of his white supporters who frankly aren't racist are going to let this fly right over their heads - and you see this in the coverage.  They're seeing this as Romney "reaching out" to the black community...only to have his hand slapped away.  

        There's no way this helps Romney win new voters...that I'll grant you.  But this doesn't hurt him a bit.  There's no white college-educated Republican leaning voter who's going to clutch their pearls in offense at anything Mitt said yesterday.  Their response will either be "meh, I don't get it" or "hey!  Look at those ungrateful black people!"  

        What you've got to understand is that Romney has a serious problem with his base.  And he's got to do something to harden it up.  If he can throw the Rush listeners some red meat then he's got to do it.  And this goes right to the heart of their Obama hate...and their hatred of the black community at large.  

        Look, the proof is in the polling.  Let's wait a while and see how Romney is doing within his own party demographic.  But there's no way this leads to anyone leaning GOP to dump him.  

        No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. - Edward R. Murrow

        by CrazyHorse on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:22:00 AM PDT

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        •  I do understand he has a base problem (1+ / 0-)
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          I also understand that this doesn't solve it. I also understand what the polls tell us about the demographic that is supporting Obama, and those are votes Romney loses with crap like this. In fact, Obama took postgrads in 2008 (exit polls) 58-40. Here's a good example of what I am saying:

          The other competitive New South state, Virginia, has seen significantly less demographic change, despite being the southern swing state where Obama has been polling the strongest. Minority eligible voters are only up a single percentage point in the state. However, white college graduate eligibles, among whom Obama ran relatively well in 2008, are also up a point, while white non-college eligibles, where Obama fared the poorest, are down 2 points.
          In fact, the reason said you were wrong is that you are painting all whites with a big racist brush.  Ain't so. This demo makes VA competitive.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:30:21 AM PDT

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          •  his "base problem" is long gone (2+ / 0-)
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            I'm with Nate Silver..  most voters are already decided.  Romney has to be going for the moderates and suburban vote like you say.. that's why I don't think he was stupid enough to purposely look for boos at the NAACP.  He really doesn't need to woo the base.

            •  well, he either erred or miscalcualted (3+ / 0-)
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              and I;'m saying the media should describe it thusly.

              "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

              by Greg Dworkin on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:50:14 AM PDT

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              •  Hold up. (2+ / 0-)
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                Let's wait and see some polling before we call it a miscalculation.  Right now, that's just a matter of opinion.  I, personally, think you're giving swing voters too much credit for paying attention to this speech.  Whereas I think this was staged for the talk radio crowd.  

                But this early in the game, the media has no reason to call this a "miscalculation" - because we honestly won't know that until we see some data.  Right now, we just have speculation.  

                No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. - Edward R. Murrow

                by CrazyHorse on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 06:35:47 AM PDT

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                •  fair enough ;-) (2+ / 0-)
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                  Polling is great for that, though it doesn't stop the pundits from labeling Romney "crazy like a fox" which (remember) I was originally reacting to.

                  In fact, if I play it like said pundits, I'd write a column that says "no NAACP bounce for Romney" and make it out to be an important story.

                  "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

                  by Greg Dworkin on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 06:40:51 AM PDT

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              •  The key to this election isn't going to be (0+ / 0-)

                winning the last few undecideds, I think.  It will be turnout.
                That's why the gop has just about put all their chips on voter suppression.
                I'm hoping we can fully and overwhelmingly depress the right to the point that they stay home and that the undecideds who are likely to swing right just don't bother this time, and the undecideds who are more likely to swing to the Dems show up and hit the "party line" button.

                You can't make this stuff up.

                by David54 on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 06:47:13 AM PDT

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                •  fat chance (1+ / 0-)
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                  Even though they have a lackluster candidate like Mitt, they will be out in droves.  I quoted an article yesterday that said 81% of white registered voters are likely to vote in November.  It's 8-10% lower for blacks and hispanics.  And youth vote looks like it will be much lower than in 2008.

                  The GOP hate President Obama enough that they could have a ham sandwich at the head of their ticket, and they would still all show up at the polls.  There will be no way to "depress the right" even a little bit, much less "overwhelmingly".

                  Democrats need to  concentrate on getting out their base constituencies just to break even.  After that, I think the President needs to do something to woo over Independents

          •  Also, McCain won with big numbers among (3+ / 0-)
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            ....lower-educated whites, pretty much the same as Obama did with higher. There are far fewer in numbers with advanced degrees, however.

            So if Romney is tailoring his message to fit his party's particular slice of the American pie then on that account he's doing a decent job. The problem is their slices keep getting smaller with each passing year.

          •  ??? (0+ / 0-)

            I don't understand your focus on OBAMA supporters here.  I'm talking about Romney losing voters he HAS...not people who are already in the Obama column.  If Obama is running well among non-racist educated whites, let's face it - there is NOTHING Romney can do to win those people over.  If they aren't convinced by him already this neither helps NOR hurts.  

            I'm talking about this as a tactic Romney is trying to deploy to shore up his base - not win over people who previously voted for Obama.  

            Am I painting all whites with a racist brush?  Not EVEN close.  But I AM pointing out that there are racists among white and it is very clear that the GOP has a lot of racists in their base.  Romeny - like, for example, Nixon before him - is throwing out red meat to try to motivate that support.  He doesn't have a lot of tools in his shed to do that with.  Certainly not his economic policies.  

            Virginia is a good example of where this works for Romney - Virginia is really two states - the liberal NOVA which is really wealthy educated overspill from DC and the Southern part of the state.  Obama wins Virginia is his leftist supporters in NOVA trump the turnout of the more conservative southern part of the state.  Romney wins if he can pull of the opposite.  This early in the election a one or two point margin among swing voters doesn't matter - they all have short memories anyway.  But Romeny can't go to the end of the summer with Rush trashing him on the radio five days a week.  

            No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. - Edward R. Murrow

            by CrazyHorse on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 06:33:00 AM PDT

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        •  by the way (0+ / 0-)

          Obama won in 2008 with 54-44 white postgrads.

          http://takingnote.tcf.org/...

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:39:01 AM PDT

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          •  Postgrads are different, though. (4+ / 0-)

            I'm guessing Crazy Horse knows the same upper middle class, bachelor's level, suburb-dwelling, former frat boys that I do, who  think that minorities are getting a free ride and love when they get their ox gored (whatever that means).

            They're already safely Repub, though, and more likely to support a rich guy like Mitt than the working class Repub base anyway, so I don't see how this helps Mitt much there.

            (Agree with your overall point, though.)

            "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

            by Bush Bites on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:49:07 AM PDT

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            •  thank you for that point (1+ / 0-)
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              I am taking exception to  

              That doesn't cost Mitt Romney a SINGLE vote.
              and point out that that's wrong.

              "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

              by Greg Dworkin on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:52:50 AM PDT

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              •  Agree. (0+ / 0-)

                He's still just trying to consolidate his base rather than expanding it.

                "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

                by Bush Bites on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:57:32 AM PDT

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              •  But... (0+ / 0-)

                ...you're saying it's wrong doesn't make it right.  Besides, you keep talking about voters who swung for OBAMA last time.  Tell me what voters CURRENTLY ALIGNED WITH ROMNEY are going to swing to Obama because of this.  

                The answer is: none.  If you're with Romney now, there's very little to drag you over to Obama.  You're talking about undecideds and undecideds are undecided - not Romney voters.  Let's don't do the semantics tango.  This ham-fisted political tactic doesn't warrant it.  

                No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. - Edward R. Murrow

                by CrazyHorse on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 06:39:18 AM PDT

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        •  I'm a college-educated white… (0+ / 0-)

          …a dumbassery like this makes me like Romney even less.

          Well, can you go lower than zero?

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          by DemSign on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:50:58 AM PDT

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          •  Ah, I work with plenty college-educated whites... (1+ / 0-)
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            ...who eat this stuff up with a spoon (most of them are in sales).

            As I said above, though, they're already safely Repub and, unlike the blue collar Repubs, they never had any reservations about Mitt because of the Wall Street/outsourcing stuff -- they actually think that's a good qualification -- so I don't see how this helps Mitt expand his base at all.

            "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

            by Bush Bites on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:55:23 AM PDT

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        •  I don't see how this costs R-Money any votes (1+ / 0-)
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          If he had provoked this booing at some other function where people were pro-"Obamacare", it would not have the impact they're seeking, but having this happen at the NAACP just makes it seem that the ACA is racial, special-onterest politics -- andI don't see that hurting the GOP in any way. It might even get some people who are in favor of the policy wondering about their own support -- even people who aren't racist in any significant way. None of us are immune to this kind of stuff.

          If the backlash is loud enough -- if enough people become convinced that the booing was deliberately provoked, you might find some people on the left really activated. It's possible it might persuade a few hundred folks who were gonna sit it out to vote for Obama, but I doubt even that's true. On the other hand, it might help move some hard-core conservatives to forget their ideas to skip the vote.

          As for actually changing votes from red to blue, I don't see that happening.

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          by FischFry on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:53:31 AM PDT

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        •  I think you're overstating the level of racism (1+ / 0-)
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          among whites.
          I don't think that will help Romney, but I do think you're right that he thought it would help convince Rush listeners that he's serious about "repealing Obamacare".

          The right is dominated by religious conservatives. They're not necessarily racist, however, in their desperation, they have not refrained from using race to attempt to de-legitimize Obama.
          They're the die-hard Bushies who stayed loyal to the end because of the abortion issue. They took it personally when Bush was derided as an idiot, a warmonger, etc. in the mainstream media and from the left. That resentment is part of the reason they feel like they don't have to wear kid gloves in dealing with Obama. Anything and everything is fair game, including race.
          Not that there aren't still racists around, including prison gang Neo-Nazis, old-school KKK, and the less overt Pat Buchanan types.
          I think there are lots of independents who will just see this as another example of Romney just not having a clue of how to go forward and state an actual policy position other than "repeal Obamacare" and jobs, jobs, jobs.
          I don't think it will change the numbers at all unless it makes a few black folks even more determined to vote.

          You can't make this stuff up.

          by David54 on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 06:39:55 AM PDT

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    •  He showed his "bully" face. (0+ / 0-)

      This comment is a natural product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects.

      by blue muon on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:23:26 AM PDT

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    •  I don't think he planned the booing. (3+ / 0-)
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      The media as usual is giving him too much credit.  Since when has his camp gotten anything right?

      I agree that going to the NAACP was to look good for moderate whites, but I don't think he wanted to provoke the active booing of NAACP.  I don't think he could have known for sure that using "Obamacare" would make the crowd angry.  Even Obama's camp has taken to using that term. I wouldn't expect his clumsy team to realize that there's division on the left as to whether or not "Obamacare" is appropriate to say.

      Booing takes the event from a "look, he reached out, how nice" --- which would be great for low information, true independents, to "he's race baiting to try to get white people to identify with him" which in my opinion mostly only shores up the base and very right leaning independents.  We're not the only ones saying that the booing might be seen as race baiting.  The Daily Beast, which in my experience is a non-partisian headline monger, has an article on Romney's race-baiting.  Being accused of race baiting is not going to help with independents, moderate white women, college educated whites, etc., but it will shore up the base.  I think the former was his plan, and the latter isn't that bad either, but we should call it what it was: a MISTAKE.

    •  Maybe, and no. (0+ / 0-)

      I'm not sure he planned the booing. The guy is so disconnected from Americans who don't own dressage horses of their own that he probably found it puzzling. Now, I love Rachel, and she's smarter than I am, so I'll defer to her judgment in this case. But those are my thoughts on the matter.

      And it will cost him votes. It's been another misstep in a long series that demonstrate Mittens has nowhere to go but down. His only hope is for his campaign people to isolate him from the media and let the super PACs work the airwaves. Every time the guy makes a public appearance, he fucks it up.

      It is better to light one candle than to curse the darkness - Eleanor Roosevelt

      by Fish in Illinois on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 08:18:37 AM PDT

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