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  •  I can have an ecstatic experience in both... (8+ / 0-)

    my response can be emotionally overwhelming but it can be almost entirely internal or very physically expressed and I cannot say that either one is automatically more uplifting or powerful than the other....

    It maybe that for some people they cannot have one or the other and get emotional fulfillment and energy in different ways. It is sort of saying that an out of body experience or meditation high is better or inferior to a more physical experience... dancing... or runners high or gaining the summit of a peak after a challenging climb.

    As for advertising to others... who can tell if a quiet person has just had the most amazing spiritual (of either religious or non-religious nature) or if an exuberant demonstrative person is having a less or more incredible moment in their life? I do know that some are good at faking orgasms... and a more reserved person is neither automatically more deep and wise or more shallow or neurotic...  So for me there is no difference between an amazingly performed symphony where everyone is just sitting listening swept away by the experience or a totally awesome live rock concert with the band surpassing themselves before a really fired up appreciative audience.

    but back to religious services. For me it is hard to have a large roomful of people all have an uplifting experience in a restrained manner... except for the music part but that is more my link to "religion"... that and nature. And conversely having a rousing hosanna and hallelujah crowd losing themselves will have a lot of people swept up in true feelings along with some who just like the energy and participate in a group sharing in a less actually religious way.

    Some just like being demonstrative in a cathartic way that is more about that than anything deeper and nothing wrong with that unless it is labeled as automatically a sign of real belief and emotion. And there is some reason to distrust some and I repeat only some religious leaders who can play the part of a revival tent meeting minister and make a good living at it and not have any actual faith at all. So mostly we can say that emotion is honest and we can trust it but... so too, there is a minority of sociopaths who can abuse emotion and strong feeling and appear to be genuine when they are not... the right wing has plenty of pastors on TV and radio as evidence of that. I sometimes distrust excess emotion and overwrought release since it can at times be phony or at least not as genuine as the person wants not only other to believe but themselves as well. When it is routine it is more like a drug or a social event rather than a deeper experience.

    And of course on the other side of things, for every Dalai Lama who can be amazing while just being understated and joyful in a relaxed way... there are other "serious" people who are just an act with their gravitas, presence and force of personality is a manipulation. So the reality of an experience and depth of emotion and understanding is not tied to how it is expressed externally.

    Pogo & Murphy's Law, every time. Also "Trust but verify" - St. Ronnie (hah...)

    by IreGyre on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 04:45:37 AM PDT

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