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  •  I recognize it's a luxury to be able to think... (19+ / 0-)

    in that way.  I'm grateful for the opportunity.  Most of our lives we've been careful with money, but this time, we just decided to say "what the hell, we just want to do this".

    "Wouldn't you rather vote for what you want and not get it than vote for what you don't want - and get it?" Eugene Debs. "Le courage, c'est de chercher la verite et de la dire" Jean Jaures

    by Chico David RN on Wed Jul 11, 2012 at 09:12:11 PM PDT

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    •  Personally, I don't think it should be a luxury (11+ / 0-)

      I think solar panels are important to the future of our planet and its people.  I think both state and federal governments should offer refundable tax credits so that even low income homeowners can take advantage of the tax credits.  And I think that governments should also help by providing low interest financing to homeowners so that purchasing and installing a system is essentially a no money down proposition, and the monthly loan payment is offset by utility bill savings.  I think that such programs would greatly stimulate the solar panel business, helping to further reduce per panel costs, and greatly increasing jobs in both manufacturing and, especially, installation.

      •  It certainly worked in Germany (4+ / 0-)
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        but, by golly, it certainly sounds like socialism -- wouldn't work here in the States!

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        by The Dead Man on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 09:41:04 AM PDT

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        •  I'm pretty sure the Greeks don't think (1+ / 0-)
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          Germany is overly socialist.

          This is, of course, the difference between republicans and human beings. - Captain Frogbert

          by glorificus on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 10:20:10 AM PDT

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        •  Germany's progress in solar has been hyped. (1+ / 0-)
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          MeteorBlades had a very factual diary that put Germany's solar power output at about 4% of it's total power requirement on average. To suggest that have solved the issue does a disservice to the magnitude of the task.

          •  is it not also a disservice (0+ / 0-)

            to the issue to assume we cannot reduce the lunatic amounts of waste, from 50% of supermarket food thrown away, gas flared off, florida oranges trucked to california and vice versa, all the way down the habitat-killing line?

            negawatts, (and more ponies)!

            why? just kos..... *just cause*

            by melo on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 02:46:15 AM PDT

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      •  So go do it. (3+ / 0-)
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        Via Property Assessed Clean Energy, any county or municipal board can issue bonds to have residents install clean energy.

        Lobby your local elected officials.

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        "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."

        There are no Christians in foxholes.

        by Odysseus on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 09:46:20 AM PDT

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      •  I was pleasantly surprised to find (5+ / 0-)
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        how much the cost of solar panels have come down in the last five years.  We did some rough price-outs back then and it would have cost around $40K to put some panels up.  By doing a prepaid lease, we got our panels installed for $11K.

        Elon Musk (you know, of Tesla and SpaceX) also has another investment that's going gangbusters, at least around here, called SolarCity.  They LEASE solar panels and yes, you can do it  as a monthly payment.  In our case we did a pre-paid lease rather than a monthly payment.  And they do exactly what you're describing, working out the payments along with the expected utlity bill savings, and they do guarantee a particular rate of savings.

        Our array will not power all our needs, mostly because of the 220V hot tub.  But by moving down from Tier 3 to Tier 1 pricing, we're getting plenty of bang for our solar buck.  Charging up our Leaf on top of it is just gravy.

        Of course once we go to time-of-use billing, we'll sell the utility solar power during the day when it's expensive, and charge the Leaf at midnight when kilowatts are cheap.

        In capitalist America, bank robs you!

        by madhaus on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 09:59:55 AM PDT

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      •  Refundable doesn't help low income people (1+ / 0-)
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        Because you have to come up with the money in the first place.

        Poor people don't have the up-front money, sorry to say.

        I do like the program idea where you can pay the same as you are now in electricity while getting solar panels on the roof, except many low-income people are afraid of loans after being burned by not being able to pay in the past and it turning into a horrible experience. Things happen, and income fluctuates. Sometimes the electric bill isn't paid.

        Women create the entire labor force.

        by splashy on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 01:05:41 PM PDT

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      •  there's a direct causative link (0+ / 0-)

        between your highly intelligent, visionary comment, and your sweetly simple and heartwarming sig line.

        fine combo indeed!

        why? just kos..... *just cause*

        by melo on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 02:43:12 AM PDT

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