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    give me a break...

    makeup of the house?
    makeup of the senate?
    YEARS of republican control of one or both or all three branches of government?!?!?

    the core strength of the unions isn't worth sh*t if rmoney is in the wh.

    •  Well, frankly (2+ / 0-)
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      the core strength of unions isn't worth shit right now.  Which is why I can see the wisdom in a redirection of focus towards grassroots organizing.  Do you not think that this effort could also result in more Democratic voters this November?

      YEARS of republican control of one or both or all three branches of government?!?!?
      How much power the Republicans have had is irrelevant; my point wasn't that the Democrats haven't won, but rather that they haven't been fighting.  I'd like them to start.  They might not win, but they could at least leave no doubt in anyone's mind that a battle had taken place and make absolutely clear on whose side they stood.
      •  points worthy of more awakeness than i have (0+ / 0-)

        right now - have to be up in 5 1/2 hrs - let's explore this more tomorrow nite - or in another diary?  

        there are reasons that the game changed - and it did - dems still try to be the party of the "moral high ground" - but HOW one fights is the issue.

        obama's recent ads do much to hold both that ground AND come out swinging!  how much is up to the dems and how much is up to us - and how effective ARE the dems when the grass roots come out swinging against the only friends they have in office?

        tomorrow?

        nite

        •  I don't quite buy the "moral high ground" thing. (0+ / 0-)

          I see it more like the good cop/bad cop thing you sometimes see in movies about cops.  Bad cop is a scary psychopath, and good cop seems reasonable and nice by comparison, but they ultimately answer to the same master, and their differences, while not quite as feigned in politics as they are in the good cop/bad cop scenario, are still not enough to make good cop actually on your side.  Fundamentally, I’d argue that we have little more than the mere illusion of a meaningful democratic process, which cannot withstand close examination of the money dynamics driving our government, nor our adherence to the self-fulfilling prophesy of the two-party system.

          I haven't seen any of Obama's ads, being stationed in Japan, but talk is cheap, and Obama's policy is really more the issue anyway.  Based on policy alone, I can well understand why unions, environmentalists and other assorted progressives feel abandoned by the Democrats, even if they still really want to like the president himself.  Meanwhile, party loyalists, well-intentioned though they may be, have an unfortunate tendency to resort to extremely dismissive rhetoric towards their fellow progressives, as though the cause for which we struggle takes no higher form than keeping one batch of slimy politicians in power over another when we should be working for the ongoing evolution and betterment of human civilization.  A political party dedicated to the latter aim could become nothing less than a force of nature, but we are expected to be satisfied with so much less and to kindly keep our mouths shut until after the election, no matter that elections constitute the only leverage the people have remaining.

          In short, I really don’t like the two-party paradigm, but I recognize that we’re stuck with it for the moment.  However, this reality does not let the Democrats off the hook; rather it demands that they live up to their potential as a progressive alternative to our inhumane, self-destructive status quo.  And I want them to be afraid of losing elections if they fail in this.

          Ok, now it’s late over here.  Oyasumi nasai, as the locals say.  :-)

        •  Unions have (2+ / 0-)
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          uniquivocally supported democrats, while unions regularly get kicked in the teeth by dems.

          The dems did it to themselves.  

          The only way the working people are ever going to participate in the productivity gains and improve their lives is by organizing working people.  Unions' power has diminished since the '70s, and the result is that working people haven't had a real raise in decades.  Most of the gains due to labor's productivity have been taken [stolen] by the top executives.

          Dems did nothing to stop the deterioration and promoted policies that hastened the unions' [and workers'] demise.  

          Unions owe dems nothing--and if they don't re-build, then workers can expect their economic position to further deteriorate.

          The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

          by dfarrah on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 07:26:21 AM PDT

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          •  As a retired AFSCME steward, I agree with you... (0+ / 0-)

            The Democrats have NO REASON to count on Unions to automatically support them financially.
            MOST union members will vote for Democrats, but the Union movement itself is in dire straights in the US after decades as a target of the right wingers and their big money backers. This is about survival of the middle class.

            The Democratic Party-as opposed to individual Democratic politicians- has done very little to support Unions over the last 50 years. It is about time they started to do so.

            mark

            Retired AFSCME Steward and licensed gun carrying progressive veteran.

            by old mark on Mon Jul 16, 2012 at 09:47:10 AM PDT

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