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  •  I perhaps should have better emphasized (2+ / 0-)
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    boophus, YucatanMan

    the "really" there. Because even when a woman tells her story, and insists that she did say no, there is often much examination of that "no." How did she say it? When did she say it? Did she say it in just the right way? Did she say it in a way that the rapist may have interpreted as not really a no?

    When a woman makes a claim of rape, she is automatically suspect. Automatically. The assumption is that she's lying and must prove that she isn't. That includes proving that she did her due diligence in trying to avoid being raped.

    •  It's a difficult question (0+ / 0-)

      Considering that the answers to these questions are going to make a man a social pariah and possibly have him sent to prison for a long time, I think it is very important that the answers to all the questions you raise be well understood.

      Unfortunately, false allegations do occur and they are extremely damaging to the accused.

      Reserving judgment until all the facts are in protects the accused (witness the Duke lacrosse case and think of what happens to men who do not have the resources these guys did to fight off the false allegations).

      By the nature of the crime, there will always be a tension between the rights of the victim and those of the accused, but we cannot simply believe all allegations of this type uncritically.

      And if a crime is proven, throw the book at them. I have no use for rapists either.

      (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
      Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

      by Sparhawk on Sat Jul 14, 2012 at 12:27:06 PM PDT

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      •  And if a crime is not "proven" (2+ / 0-)
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        LSophia, boophus

        Sometimes it means something different, as the Freeh Report about the Penn State scandal shows. It wasn't just about whether the victim or the accused was telling the truth when questions first arose. Failing to take action (because it was more "humane" to the accused) meant many more victims.

        •  Penn State... (2+ / 0-)
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          Americantrueandblue, tommymet

          ...had credible allegations of child abuse that they failed to take to law enforcement. They made a decision that they did not have the authority to make.

          That's completely different than putting someone on a real duly authorized trial and the evidence being found wanting.

          (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
          Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

          by Sparhawk on Sat Jul 14, 2012 at 12:38:26 PM PDT

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