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View Diary: Is Anyone Enlightened? (12 comments)

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  •  indeed, no big switch! (4+ / 0-)

    I find the diarist's emphasis on the enlightenment of others to be off-target. For me it's about engaging in the process of personal evolution - using the practices to become more self-aware and less driven by old patterns.

    •  I'd like to tag along with you on (3+ / 0-)

      that walk through the woods.  

      I think the model of the 'pilgrim' is very compelling.  It suggests the "personal evolution" you reference and appears to welcome ideas in and of themselves, with maybe the expectation that they will not all be the same.  Or that they may contradict.  

    •  An antidote to hate... (2+ / 0-)
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      Robert Fuller, wilderness voice

      I read your diary and enjoyed it. I have a slightly different take on the Adam and Eve story. The point of knowledge is it creates a knower and that knower is naked. To share that knowledge we have to clothe it in an ego - a social role. "If I were you, this is how I would see things..." We then adopt roles as ways of seeing and we all see things differently.

      In western philosophy they talk of the subject object split. There can be no awareness without splitting reality into an object one is aware of, and the subjective state that is aware of it.

      As far as I can tell there can only be one reality. For me a spiritual practice is the method (and there are endless methods) by which you explore your own subjectivity.

      Religions love to confuse the objective and the subjective sides of things. This is a very great evil and the source of a lot of hatred.

      Just as there is only one reality I think ultimately there is only one subjective point of view. I would not call this a god as that is a role. I see no purpose in it. Rather I should seek to see others as if they were myself and learn to love them as myself and strive to make them and ourselves see this clearly.

      It means picking the lock to the garden of eden.

      •  thanks for reading! (2+ / 0-)
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        muddy boots, Robert Fuller

        I agree that there is an objective reality, however, the only means we have to access it is via our subjective awareness.  In science this is mitigated by reproducing experiments and coming to inter-subjective agreement as to validity of results. No reason why this same methodology cannot be applied to spiritual experience.

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