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  •  I'd push it into the 80s (1+ / 0-)
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    the 90s is when corporate control completely solidified, imo.

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    by The Dead Man on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 07:13:07 PM PDT

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    •  corporate control isn't the problem (1+ / 0-)
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      The end of the "director era" in the 1970s was Heaven's Gate. Have you ever watched it? I watched the three hour version. It. Was. Horrible. I mean, every single bit as bad as the critics say. A proven director was given huge resources and no control, and he turned out a huge stinking pile of poo.

      I don't blame Hollywood one bit for supervising how the money gets spent.

      That said, what's wrong with the "corporate control" era, anyway? 1988 gave us works like Rain Man and Who Framed Roger Rabbit. Okay, 1998 was a bust, but... dang, I was going to argue the point with you, but then I started looking at the top-grossing films of the late 1990s and could hardly find anything truly classic. Sigh.

      In capitalist America, bank robs you!

      by Orbital Mind Control Lasers on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 08:16:10 PM PDT

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      •  Shawshank Redemption. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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      •  Heaven's Gate... (1+ / 0-)
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        Heaven's Gate was the last straw for the runaway directors.  

        There were some high profile and expensive flops (like Boganovich's At Long Last Love and Friedkin's Sorcerer for example) before Heaven's Gate.  So when HG came around, that's when the studio finally said enough.  Directors are human as well, and can be prone to megalomania like anyone else when given too much power.  

        Not to mention other filmmakers were angry at Cimino because since UA was putting so much money into HG, they weren't financing anything else.  Hollywood likes filmmakers who come in on time and on budget.  They always have.  

        •  Sorcerer! (0+ / 0-)

          Sorcerer may not have been a profitable or notorious victory, but it was an excellent film (for fun, try having a two-film night with that and the original French "Wages of Fear". It's awesome). Heaven's Gate, on the other hand, is genuinely terrible, without great scenes or great acting to make up any ground.

          In capitalist America, bank robs you!

          by Orbital Mind Control Lasers on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 07:36:45 AM PDT

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      •  I don't know... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...how "proven" Cimino was. He was a one hit wonder. Actual "proven" directors, like Kubrick, Coppola, Scorcese, still had a lot of latitude to do pretty much whatever they wanted.

        I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

        by itsjim on Mon Jul 16, 2012 at 08:47:23 AM PDT

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