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  •  Wouldn't suprise me of CIA involvement in (3+ / 0-)
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    attracting defectors and providing the Semtex necessary. This smells of Lebanon 1982

    --Enlighten the people, generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like spirits at the dawn of day. - Thomas Jefferson--

    by idbecrazyif on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 07:58:54 AM PDT

    •  Sounds like a sophisticated operation to (2+ / 0-)
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      penetrate Syrian Security with a remote detonated bomb aimed at this core group.

      "We don't need someone who can think. We need someone with enough digits to hold a pen." ~ Grover Norquist

      by Lefty Coaster on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 08:45:54 AM PDT

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    •  You think the CIA has people inside the Assad (4+ / 0-)

      regime? You think the FSA needs the CIA to provide explosives?

      I think this was an inside job by one or more FSA defectors in place.

      You putting the CIA as behind this based on "smell" is merely a reflection of your prejudice to an analysis of the facts.

      Remember history, Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust - narrated by Martin Sheen

      by Clay Claiborne on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 08:57:53 AM PDT

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      •   I don't think the FSA needs it (1+ / 0-)
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        All I am saying is to pull something off like this with that much explosives requires not only the right defections but also critical knowledge of information into the movements of the Assad regime. It also requires detailed information to get said explosive to the target, undetected and to also have the technological ability to remotely detonate.

        There was a bombing in Lebanon that went down pretty similar, not with nearly the results however. In that instance it came to light later that the CIA provided the intel and explosives.

        You putting the CIA as behind this based on "smell" is merely a reflection of your prejudice to an analysis of the facts.
        The CIA is and has been on the ground for the past 6 months, they have also been training activist fighters in use of technology to circumvent government efforts to quash those wonderful videos you post, they have also been steering arms to the rebels and more than likely have been responsible with assistance from turkey in smuggling said arms across borders.

        So think that the CIA is not involved in this conflict would be naive and a detriment to the finality of the conflict should the rebels win.

        --Enlighten the people, generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like spirits at the dawn of day. - Thomas Jefferson--

        by idbecrazyif on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 09:15:54 AM PDT

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        •  I'd assume (3+ / 0-)
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          that intelligence agencies from every country with those resources are involved somewhere in Syria right now. There's always, always a back room level to this stuff. That's been true for a long time. I agree with you there.

          At the same time, that doesn't mean much about this particular bombing. Could be involved, could have more to do with high level defections or high level secret rebel support. And to be clear, at those high political levels, the CIA and every other large intelligence agency on the planet is probably intertwined with everything anyway, so I'm not entirely sure that the source of the intel and so on matters that much, to be honest.

          Complicated world.

          •  Very true (1+ / 0-)
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            There's likely Russian intelligence, China, Europe nations, etc... all manner of as you said, back door dealings.

            --Enlighten the people, generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like spirits at the dawn of day. - Thomas Jefferson--

            by idbecrazyif on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 09:30:25 AM PDT

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        •  According to a NY Times article widely cited by (2+ / 0-)
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          anti-interventionists the CIA has only been in Turkey and only for about a month.

          Show me why you say they have been there for 6 months?

          Since January? Not from the beginning? Share your sources with us if they aren't in the clouds.

          Remember history, Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust - narrated by Martin Sheen

          by Clay Claiborne on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 09:53:31 AM PDT

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          •  Inference from the NY Times report (5+ / 0-)
            What has changed since March is an influx of weapons and ammunition to the rebels. The increasingly fierce air and artillery assaults by the government are intended to counter improved coordination, tactics and weaponry among the opposition forces, according to members of the Syrian National Council and other activists.
            Emphasis mine. Just because they just recently reported in Jun does not mean they haven't been there for a sizable time. So yes its conjecture but conjecture backed up by a sizable amount of history of the CIA meddling in places like Syria.

            I mean come on, you don't seriously think these things happen overnight do you? Intelligence feeds, asset acquisition, arms coordination, etc.. It doesn't happen in less than 30 days.

            I'd encourage you to read "Legacy of Ashes: The History of the CIA". Fascinating incite into how the CIA operates and their history throughout the last 60 years.

            --Enlighten the people, generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like spirits at the dawn of day. - Thomas Jefferson--

            by idbecrazyif on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 10:15:26 AM PDT

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        •  I'd appreciate any links you may have to (1+ / 0-)
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          support those statements. Many things escape my attention, but I think that would have come my way.

          Thanks in advance for any factual information you can provide.

          Others have simply gotten old. I prefer to think I've been tempered by time.

          by Just Bob on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 11:19:50 AM PDT

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          •  The NY Times article has this blurb (0+ / 0-)
            What has changed since March is an influx of weapons and ammunition to the rebels. The increasingly fierce air and artillery assaults by the government are intended to counter improved coordination, tactics and weaponry among the opposition forces, according to members of the Syrian National Council and other activists.
            As I stated above, you don't get an operation up and running in less than 30 days. They have been there awhile at least march and based on previous CIA history they've been there longer than that.

            Perhaps only a few people getting connections and operation scope recon but definitely in some form or another. And as was pointed out likely other intelligence agencies as well from other nation, especially Russia.

            So yes conjecture as this point, but as I said conjecture with some solid history behind it. Give "Legacy of Ashes: The History of the CIA" a look, great read on the CIA.

            --Enlighten the people, generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like spirits at the dawn of day. - Thomas Jefferson--

            by idbecrazyif on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 01:31:23 PM PDT

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