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  •  Er, wha'? (6+ / 0-)

    Not sure how your comment serves as a reply to mine.

    Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time. (Terry Pratchett)

    by angry marmot on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 08:28:51 AM PDT

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    •  It's a perfect illustration, actually (5+ / 0-)

      of my own suspected reasons that events in Syria haven't been popping up in a bigger way on this site.

      Rather than trying to keep up with real-life and potentially world-changing events, some folks seem to need to immediately respond with vehement arguments that tend to turn stranger and stranger. I watched this dynamic get really weird here regarding Libya -- sometimes putting people here in the position of actually denying reports from human rights orgs to support their views.  

      To be honest, it was exhausting.

      I don't know what anybody (especially who is not Syrian) should do with regards to Syria, to be clear. I think anybody who does think they have a completely clear and unarguable answer on "the right thing" is a little bit odd to me.

      •  Agree with all but the last sentence. (0+ / 0-)

        I haven't noticed anybody like that here.

        •  I hear you (2+ / 0-)
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          angry marmot, llywrch

          I feel like it became quite a serious dynamic here regarding events in Libya. Syria has been largely absent as a topic, though.

          I will hope that any arguments over Syria will be much more respectful than some of those were, especially as events unfold. It's probably very different in some ways, since there has been no clear and direct intervention by outside forces as of yet. That was the flash point for arguments here, some of which became very, very strange IMO.  

          •  WAR is "not respectful". Selling arms for others (3+ / 0-)
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            to fight -- while making money off both sides for personal gain -- is "not respectful".  No more.

            See previous...

            I wish there were a place to rest
            or that this long, long road would end;
            and that a hundred thousand years
            from now, there were a hope that from
            the earth we’d bloom to breathe again.
            Translated by Juan Cole
            from Omar Khayyam’s Rubaiyat, [pdf] Whinfield 442
            •  Heh. (5+ / 0-)

              I didn't advocate a position. But I do think it's a little more complicated. Or is it respectful to stand around blinking while another government -- one that the rest of the world has had to interact with in the past for political reasons -- shoots the crap out of its own people on a large scale?

              I don't know what the right thing is, I'm not advocating intervention at all. But I do chafe at oversimplified presentations of the ethics here, from any "side."

      •  "Exhausting" indeed... (10+ / 0-)

        Personally, I invested quite a bit of time and energy trying to keep the "Eyes on Egypt and the Region" group up and running, and focused. As events became less dramatic and more complex (in the sense of the complexities of internal Egyptian politics), as general interest seemed to wane (the burnout) and as odd comments (formulaic; overdetermined; bigotry; CT) became more frequent, I just decided that the benefits weren't worth the costs.

        Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time. (Terry Pratchett)

        by angry marmot on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 09:21:38 AM PDT

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        •  I appreciated those posts, for the record (5+ / 0-)
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          angry marmot, ferg, Lawrence, Timaeus, Just Bob

          Huge repositories of links and thoughtful stuff from people who really knew a lot more about things than I did. I think that was really powerful regardless of what position one took on intervention or so on.

          It's a shame that some of that became overwhelmed, but I still really appreciated the time many people took to try to communicate what they knew or saw, thoughtfully and respectfully.

        •  You did great work, am. (2+ / 0-)
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          I agree that it was exhausting.  Hell, I was exhausted after the Egyptian Revolution... and then came Libya.....

          And since the Libyan people won my heart, I couldn't stop trying to help them, even though I was running on fumes.  My exhaustion was, after all, nothing in comparison to what the Libyans were going through.  One of my friends from Misrata, for example, only slept about 2 to 3 hours for 6 months while in charge of a citizen's brigade from Misrata that was on the front lines non-stop.

          I can understand your decision, btw... all the CT and bigotry gets really old.

          "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

          by Lawrence on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 10:11:51 AM PDT

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    •  RELAX. I don't choose where to put comments, eh? (0+ / 0-)

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